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Well let me refrain that I and We as Scientist do have proof through the various tests done by the Rhine Institute an other places I have already. While it is no Extraordinary Evidence it is just the beginning
Everything must have a beginning...
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 14:21:05 [Permalink]
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Yeah but when you havnt reached chapter 2 after a few hundred years of trying, maybe its time to move on.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 15:20:25 [Permalink]
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Well let me refrain that I and We as Scientist do have proof through the various tests done by the Rhine Institute an other places I have already. While it is no Extraordinary Evidence it is just the beginning
Everything must have a beginning...
You seem to be under the impression that these studies you keep quoting are the cusp of some new radical science. What you fail to understand is that studies like these have been ongoing in earnest since at least the 1960s. Some scientists have even given up after spending decades of futile effort.
Meanwhile, after every passing year, we the public keep hearing from the pro-paranormal researchers how "exciting" and "revolutionary" their work is and how, with a little time, these small returns will soon blossom to full fruition.
Storm, this research isn't in it's infancy. It's isn't even in its toddler years. It is in the "full grown college dropout living in their parent's basement" stage. The fact that paranormal researchers have produced NO repeatable successful experiment in nearly half a century speaks for itself. To say that the research is too new to expect meaningful results is entirely disingenuous. It's had plenty of time. It just hasn't delivered.
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 15:31:41 [Permalink]
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You are wrong H. These expirements 1} have been going on since the age of spiritulism in the late 1800;s , since the Society of Psychical Reasearch, Duke University, and The Rhine Institute.
Look how long it took us to realize they maybe Columbus did not discover America.
Please H. I urge you to read The Comendium on PSI that I recomended in some other posts. You might really think about alot of things and then you can let me know. Take some real serious time |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 15:35:59 [Permalink]
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It is the uniqness of the energy of the human and animal that we can see what is labeled ghostly phenomenon. Maybe it is consciousness. For other souces of energy do not have consciousness.
How is animal energy unique? What evidence do you have that conciousness is anything more than the result of chemical and electrical phenomena in the brain? |
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Storm
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 15:42:48 [Permalink]
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I do not have proof. But when we die the energy of those reactions get disperced and it is in here thay we may find our extraordinary evidence!!!
Because Apparitions of animals have also been documented |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 15:59:21 [Permalink]
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I do not have proof. But when we die the energy of those reactions get disperced and it is in here thay we may find our extraordinary evidence!!!
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1 a : to cause to break up <police dispersed the crowd> b : to cause to become spread widely c : to cause to evaporate or vanish <sunlight dispersing the mist>
When energy is dispersed, it "spread widely", or as I said in an earlier post, it comes to equilibrium with the environment and is no longer useful for doing work. At that point it is just part of the background, and has never been shown to spontaneously reorganize itself into anything. |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 16:13:10 [Permalink]
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I do not have proof. But when we die the energy of those reactions get disperced and it is in here thay we may find our extraordinary evidence!!!
Because Apparitions of animals have also been documented
Which doesn't mean the animal's so-called energy was actually there. |
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Storm
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 16:34:55 [Permalink]
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| True Siberia it does not mean that it was not |
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 16:48:57 [Permalink]
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True Siberia it does not mean that it was not
Exactly.
Hence, until some undisputable, unmistakable evidence that it was pops around, we'll just keep wondering. Some evidence that doesn't need to be "read between the lines". |
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Storm
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 17:54:57 [Permalink]
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| I am not saying at the time when all of it is gone but the rime in between. Maybe here lies some ghostly phenomenon. Thee have been reported weight changes in the body when it dies. some say it is the soul. Matybe it is energy and in this energy you find ghostly phenomenon. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 18:05:33 [Permalink]
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I am not saying at the time when all of it is gone but the rime in between. Maybe here lies some ghostly phenomenon. Thee have been reported weight changes in the body when it dies. some say it is the soul. Matybe it is energy and in this energy you find ghostly phenomenon.
And some know the truth: which is that the scales used to measure the bodies were pushed far beyond their capacity for accurate readings, thus providing phoney discrepancies.
Storm, instead of throwing out old half-truths we've all heard about a million times, why don't you read up on the literature that's out there? Really, this is a prime example of how it is you who isn't in possession of all the facts, leading you speculate on causes for a phenomenon which doesn't exist in the first place!
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 18:15:33 [Permalink]
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I am not saying at the time when all of it is gone but the rime in between. Maybe here lies some ghostly phenomenon. Thee have been reported weight changes in the body when it dies. some say it is the soul. Matybe it is energy and in this energy you find ghostly phenomenon.
I've read about this. Here's something recent on the topic:
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I JUST NEED THE ANSWER TO 1 QUESTON NOW. AT THE MOMENT OF DEATH IN A
HUMAN (WHEN THEY STOP BREATHING ON THEIR DEATHBED) IS THE UNEXPLAINED
WEIGHT LOSS MORE OR LESS THAN A DIME. I HAVE ALREADY FOUND THE ANSWER
TO THE GUY THAT MEASURED THE LOSS IN SHEEP (POSTED WAY BELOW) I THINK
THIS ALL STARTED WITH A FRENCH EXPERIMENT WITH WEIGHT SCALES ON ALL
FOUR CORNERS OF THE BED OF DYING PEOPLE ABOUT 100 YEARS AGO. THANKYOU
MCISENCRAFT
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Subject: Re: UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT LOSS AT MOMENT OF DEATH
From: ulu-ga on 08 May 2004 23:01 PDT
Short Answer: No.
One of the problems even trying to measure it, as mentioned in the
following, is determining the "moment of death". That is much more of
a poetic phrase than a precise scientific term. I did not find any
reference to an experiment being performed in France, but it does
sound like Dr. MacDougall of Massachusetts experiment.
Is there lightness after death?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1150835,00.html
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"I've been dealing with death for 45 years and I can say with some
confidence there's nothing in it," says Robert Stern, a pathologist at
the University of California, San Francisco.
It continues on....
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=343392
I'd say that, beyond the loosening of spincters, probably not. but that's just an opinion.
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Storm
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 18:29:10 [Permalink]
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so let me get this straight when you die all energy dies nothing gets dispersed? I read in someone elses post that energy does come out but it just dissapiates whether into the atmosphere, universe, ect. so which is it. and it isin this energy that is released maybe where we find the phenomenon.
Show me the info reguarding the falacy of the scales? |
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