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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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 Posted - 01/09/2005 : 21:06:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
I see, so a teacher must keep their opinion wholely to themselves?
And I see you're up to your old tricks again, Doomar. I've gotta thank R.Wreck for pointing it out already, but I still apparently need to say that what I wrote was clear, and you, Doomar, for no good reason at all, changed my meaning to be the near polar opposite of what I said.
Is this the new "Christian honesty?" It must be. Thanks also go to Dude who apparently quoted what you originally wrote before you edited it:quote:
Right, that's freedom of speech in your mind. What a joke. What you define as "freedom", others call restrictions.
Here's a completely non-secular test for you: Call 911, give the operator your name and address, and tell him/her that your neighbor's house is on fire.
You've got freedom of speech, right? You should suffer no penalties for this. You're wrong.
Freedom of speech is, was, and always will be limited in certain contexts. Public school teachers can say "I believe God exists" all they like. They cannot say, "God exists, it's a fact, read your Bible" to their students. If you don't understand the difference between a teacher offering an opinion, and a teacher teaching, the problems you see with "activist judges" are wholly yours, and have nothing to do with reality.
Doomar, you seem to expect us to take you seriously, and gain some secret meaning out of your quote-mining efforts, but you don't even have the decency to answer questions. It appears I must ask again: Do you honestly think that elementary school children are properly equiped by their teachers to think critically about religion? |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 03:38:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
But back to your main theme that somehow allowing religion to be introduced in public schools will correct some deficiency, from your post it is pretty clear it is the Christian god and the Bible you want taught or at least discussed as having the merit of truth.
Beskeptigal, the "history" of this discussion with Doomar lies in the thread "Judicial Activism or Judicial Restraint?"
Haven't had time to read that thread, Dave, but I was hoping Doomar would at least comment on my post. Apparently it was easier to ignore.
The OP of the thread says it all. When I see the term "activist judges" I know I am seeing a follower of the Bush marketing campaign. Of course we know that crowd would really like to see "activist judges" impose Christianity on us all. It's a sad comment on the state of the average mind when people follow bad leaders so easily. |
| Edited by - beskeptigal on 01/10/2005 03:45:43 |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 17:08:16 [Permalink]
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The OP of the thread says it all. When I see the term "activist judges" I know I am seeing a follower of the Bush marketing campaign. Of course we know that crowd would really like to see "activist judges" impose Christianity on us all. It's a sad comment on the state of the average mind when people follow bad leaders so easily.
It's strange, because I get the impression that Doomar really doesn't like G.W.
But yeah, judges are only "activist judges" if they rule against something the republicans or neocon christians want, or rule in favor of something they oppose. $50 says that you'd not get one of them to agree that old Roy (of the 10 commandments fame) was an activist judge. Instead he's an oppressed "minority".
It's fucking pathetic, but sadly it's a very effective marketing campaign. So many people believe the bullshit about judges "legislating from the bench" and whatnot... every single one of them completely ignorant of the concept of common law and it's role in our legal system.
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