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filthy
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Posted - 04/04/2005 :  12:10:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Alright already! I hate to be a wet blanket (no I don't; it's my best riff), but before we can sensibly go any farther with this, we must first establish the existance of Atlantis. If this land did not exist and was merely a story written by Plato, and exagerated over the centuries, all of the rest is moot. I myself, go with the moot, as there has been no verifiable, archeological or geological evidence presented in it's favor, and that's not for a lack of looking for it.

Here's a little on it:
quote:
Arguements Against Atlantis Being an Accurate Historical Account


The Royal Capitol Of Atlantis
Plato's description was so perfect that it was likely imaginary.

There are no archeological ruins of cities anywhere on earth from the time that Plato claims Atlantis existed. Even if Plato was off by a zero, say 900 years rather than 9,000, there still are no corresponding ruins anywhere, especially in Greece and particularly in the Athens area itself. The earliest sophisticated civilizations were established 5000 to 6000 years ago.

Egypt was supposedly conquered by Atlantis, but the Egyptians never wrote anything about it. The historian Herodotus actually met the same priests that Solon supposedly spoke with, and he never mentioned hearing about Atlantis.

Plato says the Atlanteans built a ditch that was 100 feet deep, 600 feet wide and an unbelievable 11,000 miles long. Nothing even a fraction as large has been found.

There are no known forces of nature that could destroy so large a land mass. True, parts of continents rise and fall, but the process takes millions of years. A comet or asteroid could destroy a large area, but no evidence has ever been found of all the other civilizations that Plato said traded with Atlantis .


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 04/04/2005 12:12:58
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pfretzschner
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Posted - 04/04/2005 :  13:33:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send pfretzschner a Private Message
I know what he means about Fa-rectification being very important, though. I do it all the time when I play F out of tune on my bass. I would add that Do- Re- Mi- Sol- La- and Ti-rectification are important, too.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 04/04/2005 :  13:36:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

Alright already! I hate to be a wet blanket (no I don't; it's my best riff), but before we can sensibly go any farther with this, we must first establish the existance of Atlantis. If this land did not exist and was merely a story written by Plato, and exagerated over the centuries, all of the rest is moot. I myself, go with the moot, as there has been no verifiable, archeological or geological evidence presented in it's favor, and that's not for a lack of looking for it.

Here's a little on it:
quote:
Arguements Against Atlantis Being an Accurate Historical Account


The Royal Capitol Of Atlantis
Plato's description was so perfect that it was likely imaginary.

There are no archeological ruins of cities anywhere on earth from the time that Plato claims Atlantis existed. Even if Plato was off by a zero, say 900 years rather than 9,000, there still are no corresponding ruins anywhere, especially in Greece and particularly in the Athens area itself. The earliest sophisticated civilizations were established 5000 to 6000 years ago.

Egypt was supposedly conquered by Atlantis, but the Egyptians never wrote anything about it. The historian Herodotus actually met the same priests that Solon supposedly spoke with, and he never mentioned hearing about Atlantis.

Plato says the Atlanteans built a ditch that was 100 feet deep, 600 feet wide and an unbelievable 11,000 miles long. Nothing even a fraction as large has been found.

There are no known forces of nature that could destroy so large a land mass. True, parts of continents rise and fall, but the process takes millions of years. A comet or asteroid could destroy a large area, but no evidence has ever been found of all the other civilizations that Plato said traded with Atlantis .





Lemuria alledgedly was in the Pacific and seems to be a concurrent invention to Atlantis. Both lands were alledgedly destroyed by sinking in some sort of ancient cataclysm. In some relations of the tale, Atlanteans were originally Lemurians.

The half animal/half man bits were from both mythologies. None have any sort of scientific basis.

This is, however, the first I have heard of a Lemurian/Atlantean war. The mythological tales I heard of the destruction of Atlantis centered around crystal majickal work which had an accident subducting en-masse the whole of Atlantis. Lemuria suffered some sort of volcanism which subducted the whole of that land.


Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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Kilik
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Posted - 04/04/2005 :  14:49:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0125_050125_chimeras.html
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filthy
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Posted - 04/04/2005 :  16:17:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0125_050125_chimeras.html

Erm..., and this has to do with..... what?


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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Kilik
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Posted - 04/04/2005 :  17:30:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
Shangai is in CHina right? Part of the CCP
Edited by - Kilik on 04/04/2005 17:32:56
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filthy
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Posted - 04/04/2005 :  18:30:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

Shangai is in CHina right? Part of the CCP

Bullshit, never the less. Please provide some evidence for the existance of Atlantis.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Kilik
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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  10:21:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar6i.htm

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar5i.htm

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar3i.htm

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmari.htm

http://www.s8int.com/water1.html
http://www.s8int.com/atomic1.html
http://www.s8int.com/atomic2.html
http://ufoevidence.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=MYTH&action=display&num=1057134096
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2003/4/28/1582.html
http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue18/18bermuda.html
http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/mexico/2.htm

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/11/17/photos/wire-habit.jpg

Pyramids on different continents have the same base size shown down on this site, the building area is 1/100th of the earths suface-
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm

Redating the sphinx-
http://members.aol.com/davidpb4/sphinx1.html

Underground pictures. Under every layer is a deeper level, Hall of Records, Perhaps Thoths Chamber or SHip-
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html


Edited by - Kilik on 04/05/2005 10:22:59
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Kilik
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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  10:42:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
http://www.clearwisdom.net/eng/2000/nov/20/scf112000_1.html
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/21/6096.html

http://www.rexresearch.com/usa/usaproph.htm#us7
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Kil
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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  11:26:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar6i.htm

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar5i.htm

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar3i.htm

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmari.htm

http://www.s8int.com/water1.html
http://www.s8int.com/atomic1.html
http://www.s8int.com/atomic2.html
http://ufoevidence.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=MYTH&action=display&num=1057134096
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2003/4/28/1582.html
http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue18/18bermuda.html
http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/mexico/2.htm

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/11/17/photos/wire-habit.jpg

Pyramids on different continents have the same base size shown down on this site, the building area is 1/100th of the earths suface-
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm

Redating the sphinx-
http://members.aol.com/davidpb4/sphinx1.html

Underground pictures. Under every layer is a deeper level, Hall of Records, Perhaps Thoths Chamber or SHip-
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html



Above we have Christian creationist sites, ufo sites, woo woo sites and such. Is it possible for you to be a bit more selective when attempting to offer support for your assertions? How am I to take seriously, for example, a site that asserts that dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time, and not too long ago?

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

Genetic Literacy Project
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Kilik
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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  11:46:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
I don't know about humans and dinosaurs...
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Kil
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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  11:51:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

I don't know about humans and dinosaurs...


Slaps head....

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  12:59:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
Re this site, Kilik, you can't possibly think that this quote:
quote:
"Thirteen nuclear reactors existed in 'prehistoric' periods along the 200-metre mine bed at Oklo --it was discovered in 1972, and they were comparable to the modern nuclear reactor in power and heat combustion.

This mine had the capability of enabling self-sustained nuclear chain reactions". This discovery shocked the entire scientific community back in 1972---but hold on,-- we'll get back to this later.
is real, can you?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  13:00:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

I don't know about humans and dinosaurs...


Do you know how to write a brief essay with reference on a single topic? All of this overloading with links crap is no more than gibberish.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 04/05/2005 13:03:15
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Kilik
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Posted - 04/05/2005 :  13:07:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
http://www.yrec.info/postx1061-0-0.html
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