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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  07:43:51  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
I thought I'd throw this out there as a place where people who are interested in or otherwise following the Catholic conclave to elect the next Pope. Some links to read up on it:

Top Cardinal Extols Catholic Doctrine as Conclave Begins
Cardinals hold pre-conclave Mass
Cardinals assembled to elect a pope
America Magazine (the national Catholic magazine)

The process should be over in less than a week, but who knows. Feel free to add more links and news if you like!

Dave W.
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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  07:48:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

The process should be over in less than a week, but who knows.
NPR this morning claimed that no Pope selection in the last 100 years had taken longer than "5 days or 14 votes" (if memory serves). Though the reporter did point out that one conclave back in the 1300s took three years.

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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  07:54:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

The process should be over in less than a week, but who knows.
NPR this morning claimed that no Pope selection in the last 100 years had taken longer than "5 days or 14 votes" (if memory serves). Though the reporter did point out that one conclave back in the 1300s took three years.

Heard the same thing, Dave, so I expect we'll know by Friday or so.

And CNN has an article on Papal odds.

(ETA this link)
Edited by - Cuneiformist on 04/18/2005 07:57:10
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  08:03:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Dunno what this might have to do with anything....
quote:
NAZI PAST HAUNTING CARDINAL

By TODD VENEZIA
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April 17, 2005 -- A "fuhrer" furor is dogging the papal candidacy of Germany's top Roman Catholic cleric over revelations he was a member of the Hitler Youth.
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger a favorite to become the next pontiff joined the Nazi children's corps in 1941 as a 14-year-old and was later an anti-aircraft gunner.

At one point, he guarded a factory where slaves from a concentration camp were forced to work. He was later shipped to Hungary, where he reportedly saw Jews persecuted.

Ratzinger, a staunch conservative dubbed "God's Rottweiler," has said he joined the Hitler Youth when membership became compulsory. He and his brother were later drafted but deserted. The cardinal claims he never fired a shot and that resistance would have meant death.

Not so, Germans from his hometown of Traunstein told The Times of London.

"It was possible to resist, and those people set an example for others," recalled Elizabeth Lohner, 84. "The Ratzingers were young and they had made a different choice."


"Gott Mit Uns," eh? Be interesting to see if he gets voted in.


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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  09:57:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

The process should be over in less than a week, but who knows.
NPR this morning claimed that no Pope selection in the last 100 years had taken longer than "5 days or 14 votes" (if memory serves). Though the reporter did point out that one conclave back in the 1300s took three years.



And it was after the Conclave in the 1300's, IIRC, when the Vatican changed the living arrangements for the voting Cardinals from the plush digs they used to have to a much more spartan arrangement specifically to encourage/cajole the Cardinals to select a new Pope quickly.


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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  12:51:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
Well, CNN is reporting that the first vote resulted in black smoke and no Pope (yet)...
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Gorgo
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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  12:57:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
Black pope!? I wondered why I hadn't seen Al Sharpton in a while.

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  13:54:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

The process should be over in less than a week, but who knows.
NPR this morning claimed that no Pope selection in the last 100 years had taken longer than "5 days or 14 votes" (if memory serves). Though the reporter did point out that one conclave back in the 1300s took three years.



And it was after the Conclave in the 1300's, IIRC, when the Vatican changed the living arrangements for the voting Cardinals from the plush digs they used to have to a much more spartan arrangement specifically to encourage/cajole the Cardinals to select a new Pope quickly.





I found it.

http://www.freep.com/news/religion/conclave4e_20050404.htm


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filthy
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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  01:02:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Interesting article, Val. I've read the history of the Borgias, and there was a piece work.

I have a feeling that the Cardinals already know who it's going to be and have for some time; the conclave is just to add a little drama and tradition to the proceedings. But then I've got a nasty, suspicious mind.


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Starman
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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  04:13:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
What's up in Rome?

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/television/



Edit : My 666:th post! And its about the papacy. Coincidence? I think not...


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Edited by - Starman on 04/19/2005 04:16:32
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filthy
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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  04:42:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
The spectrum of players in this sop for the masses gets ever wider. It seems that we have a paedophile enabler; an ex Nazi, and now this:
quote:
Papal contender accused of kidnap involvement
Associated Press

VATICAN CITY Just days before Roman Catholic cardinals select a new pope, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against an Argentine mentioned as a possible contender, accusing him of involvement in the 1976 kidnappings of two priests.

Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio's spokesman today called the allegation "old slander."

The complaint filed in a Buenos Aires court Friday by human rights lawyer Marcelo Parrilli accused Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires, of involvement in the kidnappings of two Jesuit priests by the military dictatorship, according to the Buenos Aires newspaper Clarin. The complaint does not specify Bergoglio's alleged involvement.

It might indeed be old slander, I don't know. But is it not odd that we're hearing all about it now, right at the climax of the Vatican's, political orgasm?


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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  08:42:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
Well, apparently this (Tuesday) morning's two votes resulted in no new Pope. But there are two more this afternoon, so we'll see what happens.

NPR this morning had a feature on Catholic issues in Latin America. And perhaps not surprisingly, the church wasn't always on the side of the good guys.
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Paulos23
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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  09:39:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Paulos23's Homepage Send Paulos23 a Private Message
These is a new pope. No word on who it is yet.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/19/pope.tuesday/index.html

EDIT: Looks like it is Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany. He is the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church. http://www.cnn.com

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Edited by - Paulos23 on 04/19/2005 09:46:01
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  09:48:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Paulos23

These is a new pope. No word on who it is yet.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/19/pope.tuesday/index.html

EDIT: Looks like it is Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany. He is the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church. CNN


And he's taken the name Benedict XVI.
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Siberia
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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  09:52:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

quote:
Originally posted by Paulos23

These is a new pope. No word on who it is yet.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/19/pope.tuesday/index.html

EDIT: Looks like it is Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany. He is the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church. CNN


And he's taken the name Benedict XVI.


Am I the only one creeped out with this particular choice?

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Wendy
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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  10:21:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Wendy a Yahoo! Message Send Wendy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

Am I the only one creeped out with this particular choice?



No. Cardinal Ratzinger's past service in the Hitler Youth left me hoping someone else would be chosen.

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