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the_ignored
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Posted - 05/08/2005 :  19:59:50  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
Looks like they're going off into the lunatic fringe now, as if they weren't before...AIG is bad, but this stuff looks like it'd be more "worthy" of Kent Hovind.

It's apparent that they're going to go for the "Satan is making UFO's to trick people" crap again.

From the "biography" of the book's author:
quote:
Although his research has revealed many bizarre claims, he recognizes that UFO beliefs are rapidly escalating in society and the church, and thus are challenging Christianity.


From AIG's article itself:
quote:
In this intriguing book, UFO researcher Gary Bates exposes truths that will change readers forever. Written with the non-Christian in mind, this book leads the reader inexorably to one conclusion: there is an #8220;intergalactic#8221; battle over the history of life in the universe. Eye-opening insights ... for you and your non-Christian friends! Great pre-evangelism tool.


They're even going to talk about Roswell in that book...I wonder if it'll be the same conclusions that CSICOP had reached.




Of course, AIG will be blaming evolution for UFO believe too, I'm sure.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

R.Wreck
SFN Regular

USA
1191 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2005 :  16:00:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
There are more woo-woos out there who believe UFOs are demonic:

quote:
Some of the people who have looked objectively at UFO activity have suggested that UFOs may not be from other worlds, but rather from another dimension. The French astrophysicist Dr. Jacques Vallee, who has studied the phenomenon for over 30 years, believes it has strong ties to the paranormal, which is another word for the occult. He says UFO activity is a 2Oth century version of demonic manifestations that have plagued mankind throughout time. (10) It should be noted also that Dr. Vallee, in his classic work on UFOs Passport to Magonia, published in 1969, almost 30 years ago, said the characteristics of space aliens in UFO encounters are virtually identical to occult activities recorded down through the centuries. (11) Strieber himself says they may not be from other worlds, but possibly from another dimension. (12)

Clifford Wilson and John Weldon, who have spent many years investigating UFO claims from around the world see multiple similarities between UFO information and the occultic world of the demonic. Many contacts are reported when the person is under hypnosis or some kind of mediumistic trance. Some alien contacts take place through Ouija boards, automatic writing, altered states of consciousness, out of body experiences, or other occultic means. Some UFO incidents break physical laws such as when a UFO is being tracked on radar and the image leaves the screen without movingout of the radar's tracking range. In other words, UFOs just vanish off the radar. The alien encounters many times bring harmful and painful physical and psychological effects (see Deuteronomy 18:10 and John 8:44). Examples of this are as previously stated. Many abductees claim they have had painful experiments done to them and have seen the destruction of babies and fetuses, supposedly human, aboard the spacecrafts. The person many times develops occultic abilities soon after UFO encounters, among them being, telepathy, clairvoyance and telekinesis. Perhaps most telling is that aliens many times provide information that is completely contrary to biblical truth. They will tell those they contact there is no God, Jesus was not God, reincarnation is true, all religions are equal, and that many New Age beliefs are correct. (13)

When we compare the idea of the aliens being extra-dimensional (that is, coming from the dimension that contains hell itself), some of the strangea ctivity of UFOs is more understandable. For example, if these UFOs are nothing more than demonic manifestations, perhaps using molecular manipulation to appear as a flying object, it is not hard to understand how they could suddenly appear and disappear from radar screens and personal sightings. It would also help to better explain the statements of anabductee, who under hypnosis, stated that she sensed that they not only desired to possess her body but also her spiritual existence. (14) This encounter is indicative of a demons desire to possess a human host (Luke8:27, Acts 16:16).

My assessment is that these beings are not extra terrestrial beings, but demons from the dimension known as hell. They are using this rouse not only to frighten people, but to lure them from the gospel of Jesus Christ and into a false hope that the space brothers are here to aid mankind at this critical juncture of our planets existence.

We must also consider the extreme implausibility of life existing on other planets ex nilo. The fact that the chance of the most basic chemical reaction needed to sustain life (not inert matter brought to life, but life that already exists) occurring on a planet that is already hospitable to life is 10 to the 415th power. (15)

Perhaps the question should be asked at this time, if these UFO experiences, though apparently real for the contactee, are indeed a physical occurrence? Sightings (though some have more mundane explanations and are not actual UFOs) of spacecraft seem to be almost routine and have literally hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses. However, CE IVs have next to no eyewitnesses. (16) This, I believe, is explained by the real possibility that most of the CE IIIs and IVs are in fact memories planted in people by demonic entities. This would better explain the nightmarish events that take place during abductions. It would tend to explain why,when an abductee tries to take something from an alien ship to prove that the occurrence took place, they are always thwarted in the attempt. Mostabductees say that when they are placed on a table to face an examination they are immobilized, but usually not by restraints. It seems in many cases they are immobilized by the aliens thoughts or other unknown sources. This also would tend to be explained by the memory planting theory. Let it be stated that whether CE IIIs and IVs are real or false memories, the endresult is the same. The contactees are convinced of the existence of UFOs and, more importantly, the truth of their message which is always antibiblical.

The fact that this is not contact from another planet will not be dealt with in movies or television because the reality of a demonic scenario is more terrifying to the non Christian mind than the concept of UFOs and little men. These beings are not here just to study or benefit mankind with a show of technically advanced hardware. The true agenda of these beings isto get those who will follow the seductive lure of extra terrestrial contact to forfeit their eternal souls in exchange for a lifetime of empty promises of communion with other-worldly space brothers. The only thing that exists in the final analysis is the cunningly conceived counterfeit.




Man, they've got access to some good weed!

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley

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R.Wreck
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USA
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Posted - 05/09/2005 :  17:54:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
There's more:

quote:
A great host of angelic beings led by Lucifer (or Satan) were defeated in

an attempt to usurp God's authority and were confined to the atmospheric

heavens of earth awaiting God's final judgment. (Ez. 28:11-19, Isaiah 14:12-

17, Eph. 2:2, Rev. 12:7-12).

Christians are instructed to put on God's whole armor so that they can

"stand up against (all) the strategies and deceits of the devil. For we are

not wrestling with flesh and blood -- contending only with physical opponents

-- but against the despotisms, against the powers, against (the master spirits

who are) the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces

of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere." (Eph. 6:11b,12)

Christians have authority over all evil spiritual beings. Jesus said,

"Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and

over all the power of the enemy; and nothing shall hurt you." (Luke 10:19)

In I John 4:1-3, we are told not to believe every spirit, but to test

them to see whether they are of God. The scriptural test is, "By this you may

know (perceive and recognize) the Spirit of God: every spirit which

acknowledges and confesses (the fact) that Jesus Christ, the Messiah,

(actually) has become man and has come in the flesh is of God -- has God for

its source.

"And every spirit which does not acknowledge and confess that Jesus

Christ has come int the flesh (but would annul, destroy, sever, disunite Him)

is not of God -- does not proceed from Him. This (non-confession) is the

spirit of anti-Christ, (of) which you heard that it was coming, and now it is

already in the world."

The Great Deception

In what category does this leave the UFO? These supposedly

"interstellar" visitors tell us their life span is thousands of years or that

they are immortal. They speak of their advanced civilization where everything

is perfect. For example, Uri Geller's cosmic companions from "Hoova" claim to

have solved all life's problems and are willing to share their knowledge with

mankind. Other "intergalactic" representatives give ominous warnings of doom

for earth and her citizens.

Finally, and most important, UFO messages have denied a supernatural,

all-powerful God who works in individual lives, instead offering a do-it-

yourself program for perfection and immortality.

This non-confession of Jesus Christ and God's plan of salvation for us

classifies UFOs of the spirit of anti-Christ. UFOs present a diversion

keeping us from the reality of our spiritual crisis and the reality of the

living God.

In contrast with the facts on UFOs, we have unified historical evidence

and testimony of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. While UFOs

are doing cute maneuvers in the skies and talking about interplanetary

organizations. Jesus teaches of love, peace, honesty, self-control, helping

the poor, justice...the very things we desperately need. Beyond that, He

offers to make these things a living reality in our lives through an

individual, personal relationship with Himself.

Rather than hiding and playing games with man, the Lord has offered

Himself for us and opened His kingdom to us. He made it simple, as simple as

turning from our sinfulness and asking Jesus into our lives. Realistically,

the UFO question may never be answered once and for all. In the meantime, we

have much more important things to deal with.




It's interesting when psychoses intersect.

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley

The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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sweetmiracle
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USA
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Posted - 05/18/2005 :  13:23:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sweetmiracle a Private Message
Sounds like the Hal Lindsay stuff from the 70's and 80's...demonic 'aliens ' will make contact and lead to acceptance of the worship of satan, or some such tripe.

Guess only the tabloids had that story straight!

Remarkable claims require remarkable proof.

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Dry_vby
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Australia
249 Posts

Posted - 08/08/2005 :  21:46:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dry_vby a Private Message
These people can't even be original about their craziness.

All this (and scientology) sounds very much like the plot of a really old obscure British movie:

http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/q/quatermass-and-the-pit.html

Yesterday science fiction/ fantasy is tomorrows religious theory.

Just look at the Bible.

"I'll go along with the charade
Until I can think my way out.
I know it was all a big joke
Whatever it was about."

Bob Dylan
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