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Originally posted by filthy

So, you have been hanging at the moon-landing hoax sites!

Just for the hell of it, let's go back a little farther, to the early to mid '60s: Do you think that the orbital flights in unpowered capsules, that required exact calculations and some damned fine science to get them down were frauds as well?

Consider your answer carefully: I was a Navy diver assigned to one of the pick-up vessels for one of these landings, and I saw it.

I also heard Sputnik's transmitions in the radio shack of another ship, earlier on. Did the Russians fake that one?

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Originally posted by bigbrain

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Originally posted by filthy
... have you been hanging out at the moon-landing hoax sites? If so, you need to stop it. Those clowns are real space shots ...

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Nobody could in 1969, without powerful computers of today, but perhaps not even today could land in hovering like an helicopter that heavy piece of metal (Lunar Module)

Try to balance a coke can on your forefinger: it will fall off in any direction at 360 degrees.

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Originally posted by bigbrain

I meant Americans never went to the moon because nobody would have been able to land that ugly piece of metal (Lunar Module)

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Originally posted by bigbrain

"Consider your answer carefully: I was a Navy diver assigned to one of the pick-up vessels for one of these landings, and I saw it".

They have swindled you. Listen to me carefully:

Space Shuttle has tiles (ha ha ha, a bathroom rocket) that protect it from friction with atmosphere.

Look at this:
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html
Image 11-pg2 Then scroll down to S69-21698

From that bath-tub Aldrin and Armstrong would have come out like roast chickens

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Originally posted by bigbrain

You haven't yet refuted my first statement:

look at this picture
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_cassini_trajectory_02.gif?=The

Look at the last arc made by Cassini: Earth > Jupiter > Saturn

Cassini would have been able to travel along this path at 101,000 miles per hour going near Saturn in one year

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Originally posted by bigbrain

You haven't yet refuted my first statement:

look at this picture
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_cassini_trajectory_02.gif&cap=The

Look at the last arc made by Cassini: Earth > Jupiter > Saturn

Cassini would have been able to travel along this path at 101,000 miles per hour going near Saturn in one year

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Originally posted by sts60

Oh, yes indeed.

Nasa engineers don't consider Earth's velocity in their calculations, then they can't go anywhere in space.

Well, unknown/pierre../wildbill, just the other day when you were posting this drivel on apollohoax... in addition to pointing out exactly where you were wrong (which was everywhere), and why, you were given explicit examples of mission planners using Earth's velocity in Cassini mission planning. But enough talking to you; you don't merit any more of my time.

Folks, I advise you not to waste your time. We tried, we really did, over on apollohoax, to teach this guy something. He is literally incapable of learning anything. He will blither on ad infinitum, ad nauseum, get his little head handed to him on each post, and not once will he say anything that shows the slightest grasp of reality or evidence that he is paying any attention to the answers.

He's not even an interesting cat toy.

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Originally posted by bigbrain
>>> NASA engineers think the earth is the center of our solar system and don't consider earth's velocity.

>>> In this wrong way Cassini has travelled for 2 200 000 000 miles to meet Saturn.

>>> Cassini would have been able to fly along a straight line travelling for less than 1 000 000 000 miles.

>>> 65,000 miles per hour (earth velocity) + 36,000 miles per hour (spacecraft's velocity) = 101,000 miles per hour

>>> 1 000 000 000 miles : 365 days : 24 hours : 101,000 miles per hour = 1.13 years

>>> >>> If NASA engineers considered the earth's velocity, Cassini could meet Saturn in one year!

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Originally posted by Starman

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Originally posted by bigbrain

I meant Americans never went to the moon because nobody would have been able to land that ugly piece of metal (Lunar Module)

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Cool, now we have claims in my field.

So you claim that it would be impossible to control the Lunar Module enough for a soft landing with the technology of the 60's?

Please show me what was missing then! Computing power? If that is the case please motivate the need for such an advanced control systems.

Sensors? The gyroscope was invented in the 19 th century, more than 100 years before the apollo project. Should accelerometers have been a problem in the 60s?

Let's see your facts.



A bit about the apollo guidance system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_PGNCS

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>>> NASA engineers think the earth is the center of our solar system and don't consider earth's velocity.

>>> In this wrong way Cassini has travelled for 2 200 000 000 miles to meet Saturn.

>>> Cassini would have been able to fly along a straight line travelling for less than 1 000 000 000 miles.

>>> 65,000 miles per hour (earth velocity) + 36,000 miles per hour (spacecraft's velocity) = 101,000 miles per hour

>>> 1 000 000 000 miles : 365 days : 24 hours : 101,000 miles per hour = 1.13 years

>>> >>> If NASA engineers considered the earth's velocity, Cassini could meet Saturn in one year!

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So if I throw my friend a football, it's actually going 65,000+50=65,050 mph? That's pretty fast!

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