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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  09:32:44  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
[Edited to note that this a continuation of this thread - Dave W.]



Well, suppose the crap ranging system of NASA's buffoons is able to locate the probe relatively to the Earth.

But the Earth runs at 65,000 miles per hour and turns around itself at 1,000 miles per hour.

Radio signals from the probe near Saturn arrive to the Earth after 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Suppose NASA's buffoons have invented a system able to take into account all these difficulties (But if your tower control is in the opposite place - the Earth turns around itself - as regards your probe ... can your crap system receive the radio signal?) calculating the displacement of the Earth and its rotation, and the delay of radio signals.

And then??? Have they solved anything???

NO, THEY HAVE SOLVED NOTHING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IS THEIR PROBE AS REGARDS SATURN, OR VENUS, OR MARS, OR JUPITER THEREFORE (I like this word)

THEREFORE...

THEREFORE...

THEREFORE THEY CAN'T STEER THE PROBE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IS THE TARGET AS REGARDS THEIR BULLET

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Edited by - bigbrain on 08/14/2005 13:56:20

bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  09:35:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message

Hey, Have you seen "Views"?
In 4 days I have breaked all records

In my country "skeptic" means "incredulous".

Are you all gullible people in this forum

Look at this movie
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/multimedia/070405-HRI-impact.html

Tempel1 seems a bad animal. You can see its eyes, the nose, the mouth.

The bad animal is hit in the right eye.

Hurra! for NASA. They have killed the monster.

But what is that light? An explosion? But an explosion needs oxygen.

Softimage, Maya, 3ds max, LightWave instead don't need oxygen

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  09:39:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain



Well, suppose the crap ranging system of NASA's buffoons is able to locate the probe relatively to the Earth.

But the Earth runs at 65,000 miles per hour and turns around itself at 1,000 miles per hour.

Radio signals from the probe near Saturn arrive to the Earth after 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Suppose NASA's buffoons have invented a system able to take into account all these difficulties (But if your tower control is in the opposite place - the Earth turns around itself - as regards your probe ... can your crap system receive the radio signal?) calculating the displacement of the Earth and its rotation, and the delay of radio signals.

And then??? Have they solved anything???

NO, THEY HAVE SOLVED NOTHING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IS THEIR PROBE AS REGARDS SATURN, OR VENUS, OR MARS, OR JUPITER THEREFORE (I like this word)

THEREFORE...

THEREFORE...

THEREFORE THEY CAN'T STEER THE PROBE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IS THE TARGET AS REGARDS THEIR BULLET



I'm calling bullshit on this one. As referenced by others here, the probe itself has a radio transmitter. Simple send/recieve operations will tell you where the probe is and direction. (The technology has existed since the second world war just ask the U-boat Captains that survived when they fired up their 9cm radar) Simple triangulation will tell you distance. Multiple send/recieve loops will tell you speed and course. These concepts and methodologies have been in use since the second world war to devastating accuracy.

They not only know where the bullet is, they know it's course, speed, and distance.

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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  09:43:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
Originally posted by Valiant Dance

"... Simple triangulation will tell you distance ..."

Explain please with NASA's drawings if you can

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  09:43:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain


Hey, Have you seen "Views"?
In 4 days I have breaked all records

In my country "skeptic" means "incredulous".

Are you all gullible people in this forum

Look at this movie
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/multimedia/070405-HRI-impact.html

Tempel1 seems a bad animal. You can see its eyes, the nose, the mouth.

The bad animal is hit in the right eye.

Hurra! for NASA. They have killed the monster.

But what is that light? An explosion? But an explosion needs oxygen.

Softimage, Maya, 3ds max, LightWave instead don't need oxygen



Not an explosion, an impact shock which sent debris out of the impact site as sections of the comet (a dirty snowball) broke away as displaced dust much like when comets impacted Jupiter.

It's very rude of you to be smoking that stuff and not offering us any.

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  09:49:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain

Originally posted by Valiant Dance

"... Simple triangulation will tell you distance ..."

Explain please with NASA's drawings if you can



As it is a simple geometric equasion, here is a graphical representation of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation

And here is an explaination of the concept known as radiolocation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolocation

Didn't even need NASA, it's common geometry and applied physics.

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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  09:55:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain


Hey, Have you seen "Views"?
In 4 days I have breaked all records
Actually, HYBRID and his several rants of a few weeks ago still destroys anything you've done. No, you haven't broken any records. Indeed, we here at SFN don't even really keep them. But if it makes you feel better, then keep on thinking that. This seems to be your pattern, anyhow...
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:05:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolocation ???

No, please show me drawings of triangulations


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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:07:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain

Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolocation ???

No, please show me drawings of triangulations





In the first link there is a diagram (drawing) of a triangulation. Right up at the top, too.

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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:11:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain

Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolocation ???

No, please show me drawings of triangulations





In the first link there is a diagram (drawing) of a triangulation. Right up at the top, too.




No, that is a triangulation on a plane

We are in 3D space, dear friend

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sts60
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:17:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sts60 a Private Message
Boy, it must have taken me at least ten seconds to come up with this:

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/nav-triangulation.cfm

Two sites, rotated and translated by the Earth's extremely-well-known motions, provide a 3D basis for the ranging measurements.

I also think the idea that NASA has only one antenna available for use (as implied on the previous thread) is pretty funny. But not an unusual excursion, ignorance-wise.
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:21:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sts60

Boy, it must have taken me at least ten seconds to come up with this:

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/nav-triangulation.cfm

Two sites, rotated and translated by the Earth's extremely-well-known motions, provide a 3D basis for the ranging measurements.

I also think the idea that NASA has only one antenna available for use (as implied on the previous thread) is pretty funny. But not an unusual excursion, ignorance-wise.



No, that drawing shows a triangulation on a plane but we are in 3D space

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sts60
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:25:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sts60 a Private Message
http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/Navigation/1-how-do-we-know-location.html
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf13-1.html

But I guess getting one's a** kicked for 15 pages in one thread qualifies one as an authority on the next thread. Now that's what I call "turning the other cheek".

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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:29:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sts60

http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/Navigation/1-how-do-we-know-location.html
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf13-1.html

But I guess getting one's a** kicked for 15 pages in one thread qualifies one as an authority on the next thread. Now that's what I call "turning the other cheek".





No, those triangulations are made on a plane but we are in 3D space

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Fripp
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:30:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Fripp a Private Message
BigIdiot,

Why does this stuff concern you? Since you aren't an american citizen, none of your tax dollars have been "swindled".

Please answer the questions put forth in the other thread. Or, go walk your dog, since he's apparently the only friend you have.

Do you really need to hear yourself say how smart you think you are? Listen very clearly: you are not smart. You've discovered nothing. And, with the amount of time you devote to this, it's clear that you have no life.

Goodbye loser.

"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"

"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"

"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?"
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 :  10:32:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Fripp

BigIdiot,

Why does this stuff concern you? Since you aren't an american citizen, none of your tax dollars have been "swindled".

Please answer the questions put forth in the other thread. Or, go walk your dog, since he's apparently the only friend you have.

Do you really need to hear yourself say how smart you think you are? Listen very clearly: you are not smart. You've discovered nothing. And, with the amount of time you devote to this, it's clear that you have no life.

Goodbye loser.



Confute my statements instead of offending me

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