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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  10:39:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Because it isn't a shadow. It's a darker spot on the moon.
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IT'S A SHADOW MADE BY NASA'S BUFFOONS. LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY.
It's NOT a darker spot on the moon








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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  10:55:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain

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Originally posted by Fripp

What's DOF, smart guy?
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I'm from Italy. DOF?









Depth of Field.

A normal (rectilinear) lens obeys the law

r = f*tan(theta)

where r is the radial distance of an image point from the optical axis, f is the focal length, and theta is the angle that the incoming ray makes with the optical axis. (This is the "gnomonic" map projection.) Most fisheye lenses instead obey the form

r = 2*f*sin(theta/2)

which maps a given solid angle anywhere in the scene into a constant area on the image. (This is the "Lambert azimuthal equal-area" map projection.)

And here's an entire thread devoted to photography on the moon. Of particular interest is a post by JayUtah.

http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=18175

And from his most excellent site.

http://www.clavius.org/photoidx.html

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  10:56:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
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Originally posted by bigbrain

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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

When big heavy objects fall down, the weight crashing to the ground shake it.
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Which big heavy objects? The Tower is still standing.












The interior is already collapsing. Logic escapes you, doesn't it?

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  10:58:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain

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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Because it isn't a shadow. It's a darker spot on the moon.
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IT'S A SHADOW MADE BY NASA'S BUFFOONS. LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY.
It's NOT a darker spot on the moon











I have looked at it and terrestrial pictures of the moon. It's a darker spot on the moon. You're just denying it.

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zaphod beeblebrox
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  11:26:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send zaphod beeblebrox a Private Message
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8994/aardvark9fp.jpg Nobrain do mean the thing being pointed at by the red arrow the black arrow or the yellow arrow?

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. ~Douglas Adams
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sts60
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  12:08:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sts60 a Private Message
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http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/ap11ann/kippsphotos/6642.jpg
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http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/PlanetaryMapping/DIGGEOL/moon/703/lnr.pdf#search='mare%20imbrium%20moon%20dark%20patches'

Because it isn't a shadow. It's a darker spot on the moon.
Eh, I have to disagree.

If you're talking about the "shadow" occupying just the lower right corner, that's not a geographical feature of the Moon, and the geometry is wrong for it to be the terminator and dark side. What it looks like is part of the CM, or something inside the CM, which is out of focus because it's in the immediate foreground.
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  13:07:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Because it isn't a shadow. It's a darker spot on the moon.
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Originally posted by sts60

Eh, I have to disagree.

If you're talking about the "shadow" occupying just the lower right corner, that's not a geographical feature of the Moon, and the geometry is wrong for it to be the terminator and dark side. What it looks like is part of the CM, or something inside the CM, which is out of focus because it's in the immediate foreground.
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Thank you, dear professor

you don't agree with Valiant Dancer finally.


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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  13:27:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
Dear friend sts60

In perspective things stay this way:

if the LM landed on a site below the horizon line, you would see it this way

http://geocities.com/ameri1cano/perspective-4.jpg

If the LM landed on a site above the horizon line, you would see it this way

http://geocities.com/ameri1cano/perspective-5.jpg


IN THIS PICTURE

http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5927.jpg

THE LANDING SITE IS BELOW THE HORIZON LINE BUT THE HORIZON IS NOT AT THE HEIGHT OF CAMERA.

YOU SHOULD SEE A LARGER PORTION OF THE MOON BECAUSE HORIZON IS HIGHER.

THEREFORE THIS PICTURE IS ABSOLUTELY FAKE

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT, DEAR PROFESSOR

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  13:31:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sts60

quote:
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http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/ap11ann/kippsphotos/6642.jpg
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http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/PlanetaryMapping/DIGGEOL/moon/703/lnr.pdf#search='mare%20imbrium%20moon%20dark%20patches'

Because it isn't a shadow. It's a darker spot on the moon.
Eh, I have to disagree.

If you're talking about the "shadow" occupying just the lower right corner, that's not a geographical feature of the Moon, and the geometry is wrong for it to be the terminator and dark side. What it looks like is part of the CM, or something inside the CM, which is out of focus because it's in the immediate foreground.



Looks like the edge of the CM window to me. I thought he was talking about real dark spots on the moon itself.

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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  13:33:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
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Originally posted by H. Humbert


Bigbrain, have you ever gotten even one person to agree with you on all of this? Ever?
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Would you like to be the first one?







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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  13:33:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
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Originally posted by bigbrain

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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Because it isn't a shadow. It's a darker spot on the moon.
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Originally posted by sts60

Eh, I have to disagree.

If you're talking about the "shadow" occupying just the lower right corner, that's not a geographical feature of the Moon, and the geometry is wrong for it to be the terminator and dark side. What it looks like is part of the CM, or something inside the CM, which is out of focus because it's in the immediate foreground.
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Thank you, dear professor

you don't agree with Valiant Dancer finally.





Well, dumbass, we were talking about two different shadows. The CM window edge I actually gave your intellect credit for recognizing as such. Obviously I was wrong. I'll look for simpler obvious problems with your purported "fake" pictures.

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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  14:00:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
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... Looks like the edge of the CM window to me ...
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You are scrambling on glass.

You are arguing that black is white and white black.


You are like believers in God.

A mother says: "my son is dead, God is bad".

A priest tells her: "no, God is loving, God loves you".

In fact God loves all children who suffer from cancer.




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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  14:20:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
Is it normal for you that a comet has a face of a bad animal?

http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/jpg/HRI_937_1.jpg

"YES, IT'S NORMAL, ALL COMETS HAVE FACE OF BAD ANIMALS, YOU AREN'T DOING ANY EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND".






"Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit" (Flattery gets friends, truth hatred)
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  15:46:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
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Originally posted by Fripp

quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain
With this pretext your government has made war against Irak to seize its oil, and in fact it's stealing oil from Irak.



Though I agree with your assertion about our government's intentions in Iraq (even a broken clock is right two times a day), you've misspelled Iraq. I usually ignore typos, but since the Q and the K are on opposite ends of the keyboard and since you mis-spelled the same way twice, I will attribute it to your stupidity.

Irak is an alternate spelling of Iraq in many countries, including mine. Fripp, you know bigbrain is Italian, and not a native English speaker. Thus he should be given some leeway in regards to spelling. This is not an indication of stupidity. Please address other aspects of bigbrain's posts, and keep ignoring spelling errors.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Ricky
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Posted - 08/30/2005 :  15:48:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
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You are scrambling on glass.


I just felt like that sentence needed to be repeated.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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