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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 10/19/2005 :  03:27:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
More absurdities from Behe,
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/19/national/19evolution.html
quote:
A leading architect of the intelligent-design movement defended his ideas in a federal courtroom on Tuesday and acknowledged that under his definition of a scientific theory, astrology would fit as neatly as intelligent design.
...
Professor Behe said that although he had reviewed the textbook, he had reviewed only the section he himself had written, on blood clotting. Pressed further, he agreed that it was "not typical" for critical reviewers of scientific textbooks to review their own work.
...
He said intelligent design "focuses exclusively on the proposed mechanism of how complex biological structures arose."

Mr. Rothschild asked, "What is the mechanism that intelligent design is proposing?"

Mr. Behe said: "It does not propose a mechanism in the sense of a step-by-step description of how these structures arose." He added that "the word 'mechanism' can be used broadly" and said the mechanism was "intelligent activity."
Amazing!
And of course:
quote:
Listening from the front row of the courtroom, a school board members said he found Professor Behe's testimony reaffirming. "Doesn't it sound like he knows what he's talking about?" said the Rev. Ed Rowand, a board member and church pastor.

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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llDayo
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USA
24 Posts

Posted - 10/19/2005 :  10:06:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send llDayo a Private Message
quote:
Listening from the front row of the courtroom, a school board members said he found Professor Behe's testimony reaffirming. "Doesn't it sound like he knows what he's talking about?" said the Rev. Ed Rowand, a board member and church pastor.


Because everyone knows that the person who "sounds" like they know what they're talking about the most wins the Nobel Prize, not the person with evidence and thorough experimentation. Needless to say, Behe would lose on both those accounts anyways
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Hawks
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Canada
1383 Posts

Posted - 10/19/2005 :  14:20:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message
quote:
A leading architect of the intelligent-design movement defended his ideas in a federal courtroom on Tuesday and acknowledged that under his definition of a scientific theory, astrology would fit as neatly as intelligent design.

Why do I get the feeling that this will have no impact on the outcome of the case?

METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden!
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Starman
SFN Regular

Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 10/20/2005 :  01:12:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
Philadelphia Inquirer : Backer of theory contradicted self, lawyer suggests
(Get pass at http://www.bugmenot.com/)
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In his second day of testimony in federal court, Michael Behe, a biochemistry professor at Lehigh University, said that intelligent design does not rule out Darwin's theory of common descent, which states that all organisms descend from common biological ancestors.

Behe also said intelligent design does not maintain that life began abruptly, and does not specify God as the unidentified designer.

But plaintiffs' attorney Eric Rothschild produced documents, including Behe's own writings, that suggested otherwise.

Among the documents Rothschild highlighted in a PowerPoint presentation was an article in which Behe wrote that intelligent design is "much less plausible for those that deny God's existence."
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Starman
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Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 10/20/2005 :  02:20:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
NewScientist does not seem impressed by Behe's testimony : Astrology is scientific theory, courtroom told
quote:
Rothschild[the plaintiffs' attorney] told the court that the US National Academy of Sciences supplies a definition for what constitutes a scientific theory: “Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.”
Behe admitted that the controversial theory would not be included in the NAS definition. “I can't point to an external community that would agree that this was well substantiated,” he said.

Behe said he had come up with his own “broader” definition of a theory, claiming that this more accurately describes the way theories are actually used by scientists. “The word is used a lot more loosely than the NAS defined it,” he says.

Rothschild suggested that Behe's definition was so loose that astrology would come under this definition as well. He also pointed out that Behe's definition of theory was almost identical to the NAS's definition of a hypothesis. Behe agreed with both assertions.

The exchange prompted laughter from the court, which was packed with local members of the public and the school board.

Behe maintains that ID is science: “Under my definition, scientific theory is a proposed explanation which points to physical data and logical inferences.”
What a clown.

Not all attending bought Behe's crap:
quote:
“You've got to admire the guy. It's Daniel in the lion's den,” says Robert Slade, a local retiree who has been attending the trial because he is interested in science. "But I can't believe he teaches a college biology class."
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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 10/21/2005 :  02:38:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
Peer review, ID-fashion.
quote:
So, unaware of all this, I received a phone call from the publisher in New York. We spent approximately 10 minutes on the phone. After hearing a description of the work, I suggested that the editor should seriously consider publishing the manuscript.

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 10/25/2005 :  04:20:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
Finally the transcripts of Behes testimony and cross examination is available:

Testimony:
October 17 am(pdf)
October 17 pm(pdf)
Cross examination
October 18 pm(pdf)
October 19 am(pdf)
October 19 pm(pdf)

Enjoy!

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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GeeMack
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USA
1093 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2005 :  07:04:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
Latest story about one of the silly people from Dover...
quote:
Ex-School Trustee 'Misspoke' on Evolution...

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A former school board member who denied saying creationism should be taught alongside evolution in high school biology classes changed his story Thursday after being confronted in court with TV news footage of him making such comments.

William Buckingham explained that he "misspoke" during the TV interview.
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moakley
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USA
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Posted - 10/28/2005 :  09:16:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack

Latest story about one of the silly people from Dover...
quote:
Ex-School Trustee 'Misspoke' on Evolution...

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A former school board member who denied saying creationism should be taught alongside evolution in high school biology classes changed his story Thursday after being confronted in court with TV news footage of him making such comments.

William Buckingham explained that he "misspoke" during the TV interview.


And now he is lying, but I'm sure that is what his unquestionable moral values permit him to do. After all he is lying for Jesus.

Life is good

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 11/07/2005 :  01:38:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
We have collided with reality. Abandon ship! Eject the lie pods!

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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Starman
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Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2005 :  00:49:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
The plaintiff's closing argument.(pdf)

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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Starman
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Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2005 :  00:48:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
http://www.yorkdispatch.com/local/ci_3196053
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Dover CARES candidates swept eight seats available on the Dover Area School Board in tonight's election, according to unofficial vote totals from the York County elections office.
Sixteen candidates sought the eight seats and were split into two camps, based largely on the issue of intelligent design.

Dover CARES candidates think that if intelligent design is referenced, it should be in an elective course, such as comparative religion.

The incumbent school board members who were ousted in Tuesday's election favor mentioning intelligent design in biology classes.
2005 Election Results

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2005 :  06:53:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Starman

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/local/ci_3196053
quote:
Dover CARES candidates swept eight seats available on the Dover Area School Board in tonight's election, according to unofficial vote totals from the York County elections office.
Sixteen candidates sought the eight seats and were split into two camps, based largely on the issue of intelligent design.

Dover CARES candidates think that if intelligent design is referenced, it should be in an elective course, such as comparative religion.

The incumbent school board members who were ousted in Tuesday's election favor mentioning intelligent design in biology classes.
2005 Election Results


Yes!! Sayonara motherfuckers!

These elections, all around the country, are showing that the electorate are getting fed up with the utter crap that has been prevelent ever since Bush took office. Looking forward to '06 and hoping against hope that the Democrats don't screw it up again.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Starman
SFN Regular

Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2005 :  07:02:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
Problem is, this is what happened in Kansas a few years ago.
After the next election these SOBs were back.

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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Valiant Dancer
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USA
4826 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2005 :  08:44:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
Update from community concerning board members who were pushing ID in a science class.

Pack.

http://w2.yorkdispatch.com/elections/skuldist.html

That's right. The people have spoken. ID in science class proponents were soundly beaten to a pulp by challengers who were proposing ID not be in a science class but deemed that it would be better suited morally and legally in an elective comparative religion course.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/11/intelligent-design-proponents.html

Boo-ya!

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

Brother Cutlass of Reasoned Discussion
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