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R.Wreck
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Posted - 11/26/2005 :  15:01:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
bigbrain and sockpuppets:

What is this?




If you don't answer, you will have shown yourself (yourselves?) to be a gullible guy, a buffoon, and completely confuted. Again.

(edited to fix spelling)

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Edited by - R.Wreck on 11/26/2005 15:03:39
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Ricky
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Posted - 11/26/2005 :  15:01:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by pleco

You'd think that if NASA (plus other countries' space programs) really wanted to cover up, they would add stars to their photos.



I'd like to hear an answer to this, bigbrain. Why doesn't NASA just add stars?

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Randy
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Posted - 11/26/2005 :  17:36:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain



It's blue with a lot of resplendent stars.[/b]





Your blue sky has "stars" (plural) in it. Got any photo evidence of that, other than our own sun? How about you taking a zoom in shot of a full moon on a clear night that shows the moon in good exposure. Let's see how many stars YOU get in the photo. I reckon next to none will show up. (that's from photography 101, remember?)

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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  08:57:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
Originally posted by pleco
Will you ever show us a diagram of your approach to launching this probe, with data taking into account gravity?


Big NASA Buffoons had to steer Cassini along this grey trajectory. Since the probe as an insignificant mass, gravity of the sun is insignificant.

However it's the same that the probe would have after the two turns round the sun.




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pleco
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  09:07:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
Thank you. You said:

quote:
Since the probe as an insignificant mass, gravity of the sun is insignificant.


That about wraps it up. Of course, one wonders why you just didn't launch your probe in a direct line rather than the curve - it would get you there faster. You would fly a littlecloser to the sun, but the sun's gravity is insignificant, correct?

Now to the second question (which you again avoided): are there man-made satellites in orbit right now?

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Edited by - pleco on 11/27/2005 09:09:54
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filthy
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  12:37:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I think what the beezer really wants to see is stars. As his understanding of orbital mechanics and photography is even more abyssmal than mine, I thought I'd satisfy his monomanical craving for bright points of light.

Here ya go pal, just for you!













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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  13:39:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
Originally posted by filthy

I think what the beezer really wants to see is stars.


Beezer ???

I don't care of stars. I want to talk only about Cassini - Huygens Mission Hoax.

Originally posted by pleco

Of course, one wonders why you just didn't launch your probe in a direct line rather than the curve - it would get you there faster. You would fly a littlecloser to the sun, but the sun's gravity is insignificant, correct?


Correct, the mass of Cassini is insignificant. Therefore Cassini could go in a direct line to Saturn.

But BNB have not technology to steer a probe to Saturn because they can't represent on their screens the location of Saturn and of the probe and their mutual position.









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filthy
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  14:18:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
I don't care of stars. I want to talk only about Cassini - Huygens Mission Hoax.


Ok, you don't, or so you say, but others might. However, if you want to talk about Cassini-Huygens, you are going to have to come up with something besides silly, unsupported claims and accusations.

But before you discuss it further, I suggest that you first inform yourself. Thus far, you've yet to come up with anything that any other than another ignoramus would accept.



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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  14:41:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain

Correct, the mass of Cassini is insignificant. Therefore Cassini could go in a direct line to Saturn.
Nevermind that another great Italian demonstrated that all objects, regardless of mass, fall at the same rate in a gravitational field. bigbrain obviously doesn't think much of his dead countrymen.

By the way, are there man-made satellites in Earth orbit?

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pleco
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  16:36:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
quote:

Correct, the mass of Cassini is insignificant. Therefore Cassini could go in a direct line to Saturn.

But BNB have not technology to steer a probe to Saturn because they can't represent on their screens the location of Saturn and of the probe and their mutual position.



So, you now admit your first attempt at a diagram was grossly incorrect and would have wasted many days. You aren't very rigourous, are you? You have now made the same mistake you accuse the world's space agencies of making.

Now, how about them satellites?

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furshur
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  19:40:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
quote:
Since the probe as an insignificant mass, gravity of the sun is insignificant.

BbBBbbBbBBB is right - this is revolutionary. That is why dust just floats around in the air, you see it has a small mass, so gravity does not affect it much.

I feel so stupid - I thought all along that it was a function of volume VS surface area. Duhhhh



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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  23:50:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bigbrain a Private Message
Originally posted by furshur

BbBBbbBbBBB is right - this is revolutionary. That is why dust just floats around in the air, you see it has a small mass, so gravity does not affect it much.


You don't understand very much, you are like children.

Gravity of the sun becomes important when the object has a large mass, when it's near the sun and when has a low velocity

Since Cassini has an insignificant mass, goes far from the sun and can run to Saturn at 75,000 miles per hour, BNB (Big NASA Buffoons) with their PMJ (Patented Magic Joystick) must only give smallest corrections while the probe runs towards Saturn in a direct line.







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lord_hevonen
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Posted - 11/28/2005 :  03:21:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send lord_hevonen a Private Message
Bigbrain, try to grasp some of the basic Newtonian principles. They have been around since the late 17th century.
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filthy
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Posted - 11/28/2005 :  05:17:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Years ago, my family was asked to keep a parrot, an amazon parrot, over a winter -- I've forgotten the reason the bird's owners couldn't keep it. It was a pretty remarkable animal. It would talk and cackle and whistle, and it was entirely charming. It often recieved comments on how bright it was; "almost human" was sometimes said of it.

Well, it was a pretty smart, indeed clever bird, I admit. But y'know, for all of it's conversation, it always said the same things and in context, it was all gibberish because it hadn't the faintest idea of what it was talking about.

It also shat a lot.

So babble, do you see the parallel here?




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Fripp
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Posted - 11/28/2005 :  07:06:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Fripp a Private Message
Big Brain,

Perhaps Dave or someone else can figure out how many times you've avoided this question.

Stop being a friggin' coward.

Are there any man-made satellites in orbit around the Earth right now?

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