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hippy4christ
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 01/06/2006 : 18:17:46 [Permalink]
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Humbert:
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Really, the idea that you can see into another person's heart and make a determination of this kind is the height of hubris.
If one child grabs another child's toy, is that not evidence that the child is selfish?
Dave:
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Indeed, what way would be better in the mind of someone who would give in to terrorism? And the Christian God is a terrorist: "love me or go to hell forever" is His ultimatum.
Yes, Yahweh is a terrorist. Your point? (I do not in any way condone humans being violent to one another.)
R.Wreck:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Yahweh wants everyone to be saved, those who are saved love Yahweh, hence, Yahweh wants everyone to love Him.
Now, you may say that Yahweh is an asshole because He does things which you don't like, and I can't dispute that. But to say that He is incompetent? I haven't seen evidence of that. I have not seen evidence that the people dying in the tidal waves would have had a greater or lesser chance of loving Yahweh if they had lived.
Now, by and large, it is not His will for people to suffer (Job is an exception). But it is His will that people exercise their own free will responsibly. At some point a parent has to take off the training wheels, let go of the handle, and let the kid ride the bike.
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Faith is believing what you are told, whether it's by a priest or a scientist. A person's scientific beliefs are ones based on personal observation and experimentation.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2006 : 18:27:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by hippy4christ
Humbert:
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Really, the idea that you can see into another person's heart and make a determination of this kind is the height of hubris.
If one child grabs another child's toy, is that not evidence that the child is selfish?
Now you're comparing grown adults with children? Simple minds tends to project their own limitations onto others.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2006 : 20:13:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by hippy4christ
Yes, Yahweh is a terrorist.
Thanks, I'm glad we agree on that.quote:
Your point?
My point is simply that I'm not surprised that someone like you, who would just roll over and capitulate to both God the terrorist and your hypothetical hailstone terrorist, couldn't imagine a way for God to teach Bruce the lessons Bruce needed to learn without letting Bruce use his divine powers to slaughter people.quote:
(I do not in any way condone humans being violent to one another.)
Perhaps not, but when faced with a bully you just give in and give the bully whatever power he wants over you. You are a doormat. I think that's far less noble than not condoning violence.quote:
I have not seen evidence that the people dying in the tidal waves would have had a greater or lesser chance of loving Yahweh if they had lived.
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2006 : 10:33:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hippy:
Yahweh wants everyone to be saved, those who are saved love Yahweh, hence, Yahweh wants everyone to love Him.
Again, how in the world would you possibly know this?
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Now, you may say that Yahweh is an asshole because He does things which you don't like, and I can't dispute that. But to say that He is incompetent? I haven't seen evidence of that. I have not seen evidence that the people dying in the tidal waves would have had a greater or lesser chance of loving Yahweh if they had lived.
Now, by and large, it is not His will for people to suffer (Job is an exception). But it is His will that people exercise their own free will responsibly. At some point a parent has to take off the training wheels, let go of the handle, and let the kid ride the bike.
Your parent analogy does not work very well. A good parent does not provide his child a home full of disease, poverty, sick bastards, birth defects, suffering, etc. when he has the power to do otherwise.
And when I taught my kids to ride their bikes, and I let go of the handlebars, I made sure they were wearing a helmet and that they were as safe as they could be. I didn't turn the garden hose on them to see if they would still love me. |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
1093 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2006 : 11:23:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by hippy4christ...
Now, you may say that Yahweh is an asshole because He does things which you don't like, and I can't dispute that. But to say that He is incompetent? I haven't seen evidence of that.
So you worship an asshole just like an abused woman does. You tolerate the abuse and make excuses for the abuser. You succumb to threats, imaginary threats, existing only in your mind. You're... how do the psychologists put it?... dangerous to yourself or others. You're sick and should get help.
You incorrectly believe the rest of the world is subject to the judgment of your imaginary friend, an entity for which you've never been able to provide evidence. Your repetitive recitation from your book of myths carries just as much weight in reality as if someone were quoting passages from The Wizard of Oz. You're as irrational as they would be if they were relying on those quotes as a means of guiding their lives and judging other people. Believing the figments of your imagination and voices in your head do not constitute evidence of a god. They constitute evidence of mental illness.quote:
I have not seen evidence that the people dying in the tidal waves would have had a greater or lesser chance of loving Yahweh if they had lived.
I've seen people change their minds about things over and over throughout their lives. In fact I'd venture to say everyone here, other than you of course, has seen such changes. Your not having seen evidence that some of those dead people might have changed their minds only goes to show you're dangerously blinded by your faith. I don't know the passage from your book of fables that tells you not to judge, but I imagine someone else here can find it and quote it. I think that makes you a sinner. Bad hippy4christ, bad boy.
If you really believe that silly book you claim contains the truth, and you continue to believe that a figment of your imagination deems certain humans worthy of living and others not, then you are one of the the most arrogant hypocrites that I've ever encountered. You can't have it both ways, hippy4christ. You can't claim to believe that nonsense, or you can't claim that certain people aren't worthy of living. Of course you keep demonstrating that you don't really believe it. You have no guts and you have no faith.
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