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pleco
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  11:50:05  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
quote:
A court in the US has ruled against the teaching of the theory of "intelligent design" alongside Darwinian evolution.
A group of parents in the Pennsylvania town of Dover had taken the school board to court for demanding biology classes not teach evolution as fact.

The authorities wanted to introduce the theory that Earth's life was too complicated to have evolved on its own.

Judge John Jones ruled the school board had violated the constitutional ban on teaching religion in public schools.

"We find that the secular purposes claimed by the board amount to a pretext for the board's real purpose, which was to promote religion."

"It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID policy," [Judge Jones] said.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4545822.stm

by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart.

Edited by - pleco on 12/20/2005 11:53:26

Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  12:12:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
I know! Isn't that great?
Cheers for Dover.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Dude
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  12:58:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/

quote:
“We conclude that the religious nature of ID would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child," Jones said.




Here is the full text, in pdf format, of the judges decision.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/051220_kitzmiller_342.pdf


Soon we will be hearing the clammoring of the unthinking as they begin their swift-boating of this judge, labeling him as everything from an "activist judge" to some crazy pinko liberal fascist commie who hates jesus.

Atleast this matter is, for now, settled in Dover. There will be no appeal because the old schoolbaord (except for one member) was completely defeated in the recent election there.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Dude
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  13:06:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Didn't take long....

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3107&program=CSC%20-%20Views%20and%20News

quote:
Judge Jones got on his soapbox to offer his own views of science, religion, and evolution. He makes it clear that he wants his place in history as the judge who issued a definitive decision about intelligent design. This is an activist judge who has delusions of grandeur."



Gotta love the DI. They have strted off the swift-boating of this judge with a bang.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Fripp
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  13:16:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Fripp a Private Message
Funny thing is...he's a republican judge appointed by Bush.

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filthy
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  13:23:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

Didn't take long....

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3107&program=CSC%20-%20Views%20and%20News

quote:
Judge Jones got on his soapbox to offer his own views of science, religion, and evolution. He makes it clear that he wants his place in history as the judge who issued a definitive decision about intelligent design. This is an activist judge who has delusions of grandeur."



Gotta love the DI. They have strted off the swift-boating of this judge with a bang.



Tough titty! The decision is made and is now precident. Their only recourse is to appeal, and I don't think they'll do it.

Fuck the Discovery Institute woo-woos and all of their dishonest works.


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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  13:33:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

Gotta love the DI. They have strted off the swift-boating of this judge with a bang.
Well if he wasn't hated by the christo-fascists today he would not have done his job.
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Dude
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USA
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  13:37:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Their only recourse is to appeal, and I don't think they'll do it.


The Dover school baord is the defendant.... and they have been replaced.

Appeal is unlikely.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
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Dude
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  13:43:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/jonesbio.htm

quote:
Judge Jones was appointed to his current position by President George W. Bush in February, 2002, and was unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate on July 30, 2002


Go figure.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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GeeMack
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  14:18:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
quote:
Judge Bans Teaching Intelligent Design...

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A judge on Tuesday barred the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to evolution at a Pennsylvania school, saying in a scathing rebuke to the school board that it violated a constitutional ban on teaching religion in public schools.

[...]

Jones condemned the "breathtaking inanity" of the policy of the board, all but one of whom have now been ousted by local voters. "Any asserted secular purposes by the Board are a sham and are merely secondary to a religious objective," he said.
Judge Jones has used some strong terms to describe his opinion, too. It's got to be some comfort to the intelligent and aware among us when a judge considers teaching ID to be "inanity" and the attempt to shove it into legitimate science classes a "sham", and especially when he doesn't mince words when stating so.
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Randy
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USA
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  15:55:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
Great news. Heard it at work on NPR this afternoon.
[gret big ear-to-ear grin/]

edit to add...And the decision is just in time for xMas.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
Edited by - Randy on 12/20/2005 15:59:52
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astropin
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  16:07:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message
This was by far the best news I heard all day!

I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.

You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.

Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.

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DR_C
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USA
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  16:16:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send DR_C a Private Message
WOO! HOO! There is a god... er, wait. Let me back up.

WOO! HOO! There is intelligent life in our Judiciary system.

Now if we could only get Kansas to come around.

Fundie: "I believe God created me in one day."
Bill: "Looks like he rushed it."

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beskeptigal
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Posted - 12/20/2005 :  16:38:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Apparently the judge as well, anticipates the 'activist judge' attacks.
quote:
from the decision
Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. The breathtaking inanity of the Board's decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.
And lest the basis for the legal decision, or the fact that ID is a religious doctrine, not a scientific one be in doubt:
quote:
To preserve the separation of church and state mandated by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, and Art. I, § 3 of the Pennsylvania Constitution, we will enter an order permanently enjoining Defendants from maintaining the ID Policy in any school within the Dover Area School District, from requiring teachers to denigrate or disparage the scientific theory of evolution, and from requiring teachers to refer to a religious, alternative theory known as ID.
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Randy
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USA
1989 Posts

Posted - 12/20/2005 :  17:07:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
I'm going to try and catch Pat Robertson on the 700 Club tonight after this ruling. Can you imagine that turd eater going off about this?! His head will be bobbing back and forth, beady eyes rolling; his ears be a'flappin. Fundie goulash will be spewing forth from his pie hole.
Oh, the joy!
I need to read that PDF of the ruling. Looks like it's off line at the moment...the server's probably swamped.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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Starman
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Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 12/21/2005 :  00:23:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
According to CNN, more than one million dollars down the drain.

Can members of the previous board be sued?

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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