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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/10/2006 :  11:48:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by pleco

quote:
As anyone who has ever balanced a pencil/broomstick/rule on their finger knows, if you can get it stable and completely vertical, there is no tendency to rotate. In reality, you can never balance it perfectly by staying completely still, so it does tend to "fall" over eventually, but if you keep it near vertical, this acceleration is small, and easily countered with small corrections.


You would have enjoyed debating BigBrain...

LMFAO! LOLROTFCHODB!

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
4954 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2006 :  10:31:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
To revive this thread, I see that (according to CNN), the Pentagon video footage of AA 77 will be released:
quote:
"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

If only!!
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verlch
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Posted - 05/17/2006 :  00:19:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by ktesibios

Better go back to ranting about your fear of women at Vox Day's place, patriarch verlch. You're hopelessly out of your depth here.



Nice post man. Your mythodical.

Infowars.com
Prisonplanet.com
Rense.com

All ask very interesting questions.

Again, why was NORAD running a drill for hijacked planes. Why did WTC 7 fall over just 2 days later? Was Sivlerstein leaking the information to protect his life? Is he still alive?

Have you looked into the Bohemian groove? How do you think controls and runs the world? Bankers? IMF? UN?

Who holds the keys?

Yes I am Patriarch Verlch. Thanks for noticing.

http://rense.com/general71/catch.htm

Found that article. If 1% of what he says we are in trouble.

There is way too much inconsistency here, believe me. If you link everything together in the past, what do you think is going on fellas?

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
Edited by - verlch on 05/17/2006 02:48:57
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
4954 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2006 :  07:29:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Nice post man. Your mythodical.


quote:
Infowars.com
Prisonplanet.com
Rense.com

All ask very interesting questions.

Even if we posit that these sites do ask interesting questions, in most cases, they've all been answered rather simply. For instance, you ask: "Again, why was NORAD running a drill for hijacked planes."

It took me literally 30 seconds to Google and find this article from USA Today. It states, among other things,
quote:
"We have planned and executed numerous scenarios over the years to include aircraft originating from foreign airports penetrating our sovereign airspace," Gen. Ralph Eberhart, NORAD commander, told USA TODAY. "Regrettably, the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised."

NORAD, a U.S.-Canadian command, was created in 1958 to guard against Soviet bombers.

Until Sept. 11, 2001, NORAD conducted four major exercises a year. Most included a hijack scenario, but not all of those involved planes as weapons. Since the attacks, NORAD has conducted more than 100 exercises, all with mock hijackings.

NORAD fighters based in Florida have intercepted two hijacked smaller aircraft since the Sept. 11 attacks. Both originated in Cuba and were escorted to Key West in spring 2003, NORAD said.

So your assertions are wrong to begin with. It's not a big government conspiracy if you make up the facts, Verlch.

And still, it goes on. You bring up WTC 7, but this was addressed by ktesibios earlier in this thread. Indeed, you say that it fell "just 2 days later" when in fact, it fell on September 11. No cover-up, Verlch, just bad data. Why do you continually reject reality in favor of fantasy? (And yes, Verlch, Silverstein is still alive)

Indeed, your fantasy world sometimes out-confuses you. Or else, how does one explain things like "Have you looked into the Bohemian groove? How do you think controls and runs the world? Bankers? IMF? UN?"

quote:

http://rense.com/general71/catch.htm

Found that article. If 1% of what he says we are in trouble.

There is way too much inconsistency here, believe me. If you link everything together in the past, what do you think is going on fellas?


But Verlch-- what if 0% of what he says is true? (See, for example this!) Then, the only person in trouble is you, since you still believe it.
Edited by - Cuneiformist on 05/17/2006 07:36:09
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furshur
SFN Regular

USA
1536 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2006 :  08:20:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
quote:
Was Sivlerstein leaking the information to protect his life? Is he still alive?

Yes, he is still alive... for now!
oooo this is scary stuff!

Verlich, your imagination and delusions sure do make life exciting...


If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2006 :  09:19:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by furshur

quote:
Was Sivlerstein leaking the information to protect his life? Is he still alive?

Yes, he is still alive... for now!
oooo this is scary stuff!

Verlich, your imagination and delusions sure do make life exciting...






AS skeptitcs, you guys sure don't see to be very skeptical of this type of stuff.

Would we have been able to go to war with Iraq, without sept 11?

There was one article in USA Today that said "God Created the Earth."

So I guess we can all pack up and go home to our wives now!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
Edited by - verlch on 05/17/2006 09:38:27
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Robb
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USA
1223 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2006 :  09:33:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message
This video is pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syEFbdYKl9s

Are you in the video Verlch?

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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pleco
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USA
2996 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2006 :  09:38:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
quote:
AS skeptitcs, you guys sure don't see to be very skeptical of this type of stuff.

Would we have been able to go to war with Iraq, without sept 11?


Apparently you don't know what a skeptic really is.

And yes, we would have gone to war eventually, I have no doubt that Bush would have done this no matter what.

by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart.
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verlch
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Posted - 05/17/2006 :  09:58:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Robb

This video is pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syEFbdYKl9s

Are you in the video Verlch?



No, I wish.

Oh yeah, some of the hijackers were found alive. You mean to tell me, why are the hijackers alive in the middle east?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

If a man commits murder, just see how fast people know who he is.

Other buildings have burned for days, and not collapsed.

Both buildings were designed to withstand a plane of that size flown into it. I swear those planes do not look like commercial jets.

I think our government has been doing quite a few things nefariously, Bay of Pigs, regime changes all over the world. In fact how hard would it be to supply and befriend the Bin Laden's of the world, that were whisked out of the country after 9 11. They were already friends with the Bushs.

Prescott Bush is documented as supplying the nazis in WWII. What better way to profit than to sell the weaponry to both sides of a battle.

AGain, conspiracy theorists are much like evolutionists. Its only a theory.

IF you dont' have a problem with living in George Bush Sr's vision for America, much like Babylon of old, worshipping an image, or death will shortly follow, than you will like the NWO/Babylon revisited.

quote:
"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992


quote:
"This is an historic moment, I am hopeful the fighting will not go on for long. We have in the last year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations A NEW WORLD ORDER where the rule of law governs the conduct of the NATIONS".--In 1991, at the beginning of the Gulf war, US President George Bush broadcast to the world.



What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Robb
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USA
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Posted - 05/17/2006 :  10:41:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message


quote:
Other buildings have burned for days, and not collapsed.
But did they also have structural damage due to a plane flying into them?

quote:
Both buildings were designed to withstand a plane of that size flown into it. I swear those planes do not look like commercial jets.
The Titanic was designed not to sink.


Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie

USA
4826 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2006 :  10:46:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by Robb

This video is pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syEFbdYKl9s

Are you in the video Verlch?



No, I wish.

Oh yeah, some of the hijackers were found alive. You mean to tell me, why are the hijackers alive in the middle east?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

If a man commits murder, just see how fast people know who he is.


Like Zodiac? Oh, wait... we don't know who the fuck he was or is.

quote:

Other buildings have burned for days, and not collapsed.



This has been done to death, verlch. Uneven heating, fuel fire, floor failure, etc. And I seriously doubt days, verlch. Got proof of that one, or did the evil Freemason Bonesmen already squelch the evidence.

quote:

Both buildings were designed to withstand a plane of that size flown into it. I swear those planes do not look like commercial jets.



They were not designed in any way shape or form to do that.

quote:

I think our government has been doing quite a few things nefariously, Bay of Pigs, regime changes all over the world. In fact how hard would it be to supply and befriend the Bin Laden's of the world, that were whisked out of the country after 9 11. They were already friends with the Bushs.


The government has done some pretty questionable things. Yup. Was this one of them? Nope.

quote:

Prescott Bush is documented as supplying the nazis in WWII. What better way to profit than to sell the weaponry to both sides of a battle.


As an extreme minority shareholder in a company that provided financing to the Nazis. None of your sources to date has said one damn thing about Prescott Bush supplying arms to the Nazis.

quote:

AGain, conspiracy theorists are much like evolutionists. Its only a theory.


Major difference is that evolution is supported by evidence and conspiracy theories are not.

quote:

IF you dont' have a problem with living in George Bush Sr's vision for America, much like Babylon of old, worshipping an image, or death will shortly follow, than you will like the NWO/Babylon revisited.

quote:
"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992


quote:
"This is an historic moment, I am hopeful the fighting will not go on for long. We have in the last year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations A NEW WORLD ORDER where the rule of law governs the conduct of the NATIONS".--In 1991, at the beginning of the Gulf war, US President George Bush broadcast to the world.






So, forging treaties which set a baseline for international law is somehow evil. I don't get it.

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

Brother Cutlass of Reasoned Discussion
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 05/17/2006 :  10:50:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Your still trying to 'get' Verlch? You are a trooper, hang in there!

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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wgvd
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Jezus!
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wgvd
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Jezu~s take a look at the thruth! See fahrenheit or rise of the policestate!
Damn American people are the most threathenig people of the world! So dumb
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ktesibios
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USA
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Posted - 05/17/2006 :  15:51:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ktesibios a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Oh yeah, some of the hijackers were found alive. You mean to tell me, why are the hijackers alive in the middle east?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

If a man commits murder, just see how fast people know who he is.



Still can't be arsed to do anything but uncritically spout stale old crap from conspiracy-mongers, or to look for sources more recent than Sept. 23, 2001, eh? Why am I not surprised?

If you had bothered with the most rudimentary form of due diligence, you would know that the "living hijackers" canard was resolved quite some time ago. 9/11 Myths has a very handy compendium of the state of knowledge as of 2006:
http://www.911myths.com/html/still_alive.html

quote:
What#8217;s more, all these stories occurred very soon after 9/11. Once the FBI released their official list of hijackers, complete with photographs (on the 27th September), these stories disappeared. This suggests to us they were only ever a mixup over names, and once the photos appeared as well these individuals realised they weren#8217;t wanted men after all.


Regarding Waleed al-Sheri:

quote:
There are a few problems with this account.

The BBC refer to him as "Waleed Al Shehri", for instance, but the hijacker named by the FBI is Waleed M. Al Shehri. Only one initial, but it's still enough to mean they may not have the same name.

Also, unfortunately for the "still alive" stories, there are reports that the BBCs Waleed is indeed an entirely different person called Waleed A Al Shehri.

Embry-Riddle officials have learned that Waleed Al-Shehri talked to U.S. government officials in Morocco earlier this week. An individual with a similar name was identified by the FBI in its September 14 announcement as being aboard American Airlines flight 11, the first plane to strike the World Trade Center.

Embry-Riddle records show that a student with the name Waleed A. Al-Shehri graduated with a bachelor of science degree in aeronautical science...
http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/embryriddle092101.html


quote:
Further evidence that this is a case of mistaken identity comes from reports showing that there is Waleed M Al Shehri missing, who does have a brother called Wail, just as the US alleged.

The brothers' pictures matched those released by the FBI, the Arab News reported. Their father, Mohammed Ali Asgley Al Shehri, a businessman, told Al Watan that his son Wael, 25, had psychological problems and had gone to Medina in December with his brother Waleed, 21, to seek help from religious officials for this problem. He said that they did not return from the trip and that he had not heard from them since...

The paper cited sources close to the family as saying that both men had become very religious before disappearing and had spoken of joining Muslim fighters in Chechnya. The sources said the brothers spoke limited English.

Previous reports that Waleed Alshehri was the son of a Saudi diplomat have been denied.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A19549-2001Sep24¬Found=true


http://www.911myths.com/html/waleed_al-shehri_still_alive.html

And about Said al-Ghamdi:

quote:
Take the BBC, for example, which did in fact report, on September 23, 2001, that some of the alleged terrorists were alive and healthy and had protested their being named as assassins.

But there is one wrinkle. The BBC journalist responsible for the story only recalls this supposed sensation after having been told the date on which the story aired. "No, we did not have any videotape or photographs of the individuals in question at that time," he says, and tells us that the report was based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper.

The operator at the call center has the number for the Arab News on speed dial. We make a call to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. A few seconds later, Managing Editor John Bradley is on the line. When we tell Bradley our story, he snorts and says: "That's ridiculous! People here stopped talking about that a long time ago."

Bradley tells us that at the time his reporters did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," but instead combined reports from other Arab papers. These reports, says Bradley, appeared at a time when the only public information about the attackers was a list of names that had been published by the FBI on September 14th. The FBI did not release photographs until four days after the cited reports, on September 27th.

The photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain."


quote:
"The problem," says Samman, "was that after the first FBI list had been published, CNN released a photo of the pilot Said al-Ghamdi that had been obtained from the files of those Saudi pilots who had at some point received official flight training in the United States."

After Samman's story was reported by the news agencies, he was contacted by CNN. "I gave them Ghamdi's telephone number. The CNN people talked to the pilot and apologized profusely. The whole thing was quite obviously a mix-up. The Ghamdi family is one of the largest families in Saudi Arabia, and there are thousands of men named Said al-Ghamdi."

When we ask Samman to take another look at the FBI's list of photographs, he is more than happy to oblige, and tells us: "The Ghamdi on the photo is not the pilot with whom I spoke."
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160-2,00.html


http://www.911myths.com/html/said_al-ghamdi_alive.html

Besides the fact that more than one individual can bear the same name, the job of connecting identities to names would be complicated by the fact that Arabic names are properly written in the Arabic alphabet. There are multiple standardized systems for transliterating Arabic to Roman letters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_transliteration

Investigators working with English documents like drivers license records, apartment leases, flight school records etc. have to deal with reconstructing the original Arabic names to correlate them with records in the hijackers' home countries, and there are plaentiful opportunities for going wrong ther

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