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TOR Hershman
Not Funny

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Posted - 01/06/2007 :  02:23:41  Show Profile  Visit TOR Hershman's Homepage Send TOR Hershman a Private Message
How that 'One God' thingy, them Jewish folk and the word 'Amen' REALLY got started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7iQRFP_e90

Stay on Groovin' Safari,
TOR

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2007 :  02:55:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
A dramatic tone doesn't always work. The narration tone in this case is far, far over the top. Outright silly. Also, too many cheap video transition tricks. Looks and sounds amateurish. I could not force myself to watch this one, either, sorry. A shame, as a straightforward presentation of the material might have worked well.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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TOR Hershman
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51 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2007 :  03:00:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit TOR Hershman's Homepage Send TOR Hershman a Private Message
*burp*

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Original_Intent
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USA
609 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2007 :  15:24:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message
Hmmm...

AmanhotepIV (Aman is Pleased) AKA Akhenaten.

Elevated the Aten (sun-disk) to a god. Not monotheastic, henotheistic with the new god Aten, who he also equated with his father, to the head of the pack. Around 1300 BC Not to be confused with Amun-Re.

Or

Amen (roughly "God who is trusted"), first written around 1400, but used previously in oral tradition.

Peace
Joe






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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
25973 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2007 :  22:26:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Made it through 2:31 with this one. The umpty-umpth lightning strike. Is there anything in the piece that one can't get from Wikipedia besides annoyingly repetitive background sounds and cheesy dissolves?

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TOR Hershman
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51 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  07:09:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit TOR Hershman's Homepage Send TOR Hershman a Private Message
[First Response before thoroughly readin' Dave W.'s post and going to Wikipedia and a bunch of other sites]

If you'd be so kind as to post the Wikipedia site that states that “Amem” came from Amenhotep AND that his followers became know as Jews (It also must be a WikiPage that existed before I put “The Awful Facts” up at original Mp3.com) I'd most happily investigate.

BTW: Moi hast been through this with MANY hotheads that have claimed They “…read this information before,” BUT, when moi asked for an author's name, book title or ISBN I received mostly silence. A few fessed-up to being guilty of
ONLY poppin'-off.

Now, didn't that take our little minds off the fact that this IS all totally meaningless?
Nope, not moi's lill' mind.

Like one quickly discovers, if you want to meet a bunch of religions fanatics go to an atheist board with the reverse bein' ture at an atheist board.

[Fin of First]

{Now if'in ya goes to WikiPedia and the above is listed as the definition of a "RANT," well.....okay.}

PHUCK!!!!!!!!!
I NEVER HEARD of Freud's work before!
NEVER!!!!!!!!!
I got three phuckin' As in as many psychology courses and NEVER heard of the book!
Phuck!!!!!!!!!
Feces!!!!!!!!!
Phuck!!!!!!!!!
Sheeeeeeet!!!!!!!!!

Okay, moi ain't had time to read the entire book, Dave W., does Freud, oh phuck…..he's certainly close enough…..but, does Freud ever state that the Jews were originally Egyptians?

Okay, Dave W., has ANYONE ever (re)discovered that Ovid created the Hey-Zeus tale that moi describes in my other lill' film?
‘Cause if'in anyone has…..I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT!!!!!!!!!
Please (Anyone) if you have ANY knowledge on this subject allow moi to know.

Stay on Groovin' (Kilroy Was Here) Safari,
TOR

PS Frankly I was amazed that this lill' bit of info had never been put forth before and I intend to give Freud credit. Moi shall goith now and post at moi's lill' fan club.
Well, if'in moi gots to be ‘scooped' by someone, moi ‘tis glad ‘twas a bein' as Freud.
PSS , Sure the phuck am glad I ani't getting' any mofoin' moola from any of this.
PSSS I still like my groovin' parody of the gospel song “Amen” and moi's Louie Armstrong impression is most jocular, to moi.

Thank you once again, Dave W, and DO let me know about moi's Ovid/Jesus discovery.

Dave's da MAN!

This is a GOOD board.

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TOR Hershman
Not Funny

51 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  07:44:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit TOR Hershman's Homepage Send TOR Hershman a Private Message
Moi just added this to my (At least I think I did the film) description of "AMEN (hotep IV, that is)

I just discovered that Sigmund Freud, in his book "Moses And Monotheism," put forth most (If not all, I haven't had time to read it, yet) of the information that I have in my lill' film. Right now moi wouldn't be surprised if'in Freud did a kwel, funky Louie Armstrong impression, as well.

Ya know, I wouldn't be surprised if'in it turns out the Ronnie Reagan and Stallone jointly came-up with the Ovid/Christ connection.

Stay on Groovin'
(Guess someone got to 'the tomb' before moi)
Safari,
TOR

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GeeMack
SFN Regular

USA
1093 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  07:59:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
So far TOR obviously expected people to go look at his various creations, and several did. But when they provided feedback, he wasn't willing to respond. His refusal to participate in an actual conversation seemed like a tactic of a common troll. Now that he does respond, all he offers is condescension, a few smarmy insults, and some nearly incomprehensible, yet apparently egomaniacal swearing and hollering. Yes, at first it seemed pretty likely he was just another juvenile troll. Now it looks like he's removed all doubt.
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TOR Hershman
Not Funny

51 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  08:05:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit TOR Hershman's Homepage Send TOR Hershman a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack

So far TOR obviously expected people to go look at his various creations, and several did. But when they provided feedback, he wasn't willing to respond. His refusal to participate in an actual conversation seemed like a tactic of a common troll. Now that he does respond, all he offers is condescension, a few smarmy insults, and some nearly incomprehensible, yet apparently egomaniacal swearing and hollering. Yes, at first it seemed pretty likely he was just another juvenile troll. Now it looks like he's removed all doubt.



"Is there anyone else up there we could talk to?"
[Special thanks to Monty Python for the line]

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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
25973 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  08:46:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by TOR Hershman

...does Freud ever state that the Jews were originally Egyptians?
Beats me. The Wikipedia bit says,
Freud argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest forced to leave Egypt with his followers after Akhenaten's death.
and that's as much as I know about it. I certainly didn't get to the part of your video in which you say that the Jews were originally Egyptians, which is why I asked the question that I asked. Wikipedia also says,
More recently, Ahmed Osman has claimed that that Moses and Akhenaten were the same individual.
and it goes on to offer two books (other than Freud's) which agree with the "out of Egypt" hypothesis. It then notes,
...most mainstream Egyptologists do not take them seriously, pointing out that there are direct connections between early Judaism and other Semitic religious traditions, and that two of the three principal Judaic terms for God, Yahweh and Elohim, have no connection to Aten.
And personally, I don't see the linguistic connection between Amun (the hidden one) on the one hand, and amen (certainty, truth) on the other. It appears that the professionals don't see any such etymological link, either.

And of course, language similarities are a common foil for those attempting to re-write history, especially amongst those who attempt to claim that the New World was affected by Old-World peoples long before Colombus or even the Vikings. Those making such claims, however, tend to ignore the fact that the original words are only similar looking when transliterated into English, or they ignore the fact that phoneme choice is limited. As the Wikipedia article on linguistics says,
But there are different ways to interpret similarities among languages. For example, the Latin language spoken by the Romans developed into Spanish in Spain and Italian in Italy. Similarities between Spanish and Italian are in many cases due to both being descended from Latin. So in principle, if two languages share some property, this property might either be due to common inheritance or due to some property of the human language faculty. Of course, there is always the possibility of random chance being at the root of the similarity, such as with Spanish 'mucho' and English 'much', which are not related historically in any way, though they mean essentially the same thing and sound similar.
(The worst of those making these nutty claims are those who think that aliens visited both South America and Egypt - for example - and the alien language influenced both.)
quote:
Okay, Dave W., has ANYONE ever (re)discovered that Ovid created the Hey-Zeus tale that moi describes in my other lill' film?
Beats me, as I was less able to tolerate that other "film" as I was this one (which I couldn't sit through). What's the evidence?
quote:
Well, if'in moi gots to be ‘scooped' by someone, moi ‘tis glad ‘twas a bein' as Freud.
I wouldn't be. Freud wasn't known for his rigorous science or skepticism.

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13457 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  09:10:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
DaveW:
Freud wasn't known for his rigorous science or skepticism.


Actually, that is mostly not correct. I don't want to hijack this thread with a discussion of Freud, but he very much did care and work with his eye on the Sci method. He was very methodical and willing to throw out a hypothesis if upon further research, it did not hold up.

Edited to add:

For example, it is little known that Freud himself threw out his hypothesis with regard to the mechanisms for repression. He had his ideas, which turned out to be not correct. And he wrote about that. Later, some Freudians latched on to certain ideas that Freud had considered and ran with them. For some reason, Freud has been blamed for the shoddy work of others.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
25973 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  09:31:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
That's certainly not the impression I get from pieces like this one, especially with the quote from Siggy right up top:
"I am actually not at all a man of science, not an observer, not an experimenter, not a thinker. I am by temperament nothing but a conquistador--an adventurer, if you want it translated--with all the curiosity, daring, and tenacity characteristic of a man of this sort" (Sigmund Freud, letter to Wilhelm Fliess, Feb. 1, 1900).
His Wikipedia entry notes,
A 2006 article in Newsweek magazine called him "history's most debunked doctor.
and also
Finally, Freud's theories are often criticized for not being real science. This objection was raised most famously by Karl Popper, who claimed that all proper scientific theories must be potentially falsifiable. Popper argued that no experiment or observation could ever falsify Freud's theories of psychology (e.g. someone who denies having an Oedipal complex is interpreted as repressing it), and thus they could not be considered scientific.
There are, after all, many sorts of unscientific cranks who are both methodical and non-dogmatic. While those aspects are necessary for scientific work, they are not sufficient.

But perhaps this does belong in another thread (not that I see this one going very far).

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13457 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  09:43:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
I don't have the time to discuss this right now. But there is a lot of crap out there about Freud, which simply isn't true. If you would like to start a new thread about it, we can go over some of the misconceptions about him.

There is an archived thread about Freud, a debate that I and Michelle had with beskeptigal. You might want to check that out if you can find it….

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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TOR Hershman
Not Funny

51 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  09:55:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit TOR Hershman's Homepage Send TOR Hershman a Private Message
Kil, are you certain that certainty makes you ridiculous?

Moi gotz lotz more on the Amenhotep thingy but dead, chopped-up moo cow (butts and shoulders] is on sale, BOGO, at Kroger and moi gotz to go.
I mean, after all…..Beefy The Beef Bull sez, “Gnaw me head off.”

Stay on Groovin' (Certain) Safari,
TOR

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Edited by - TOR Hershman on 01/08/2007 09:57:23
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furshur
SFN Regular

USA
1536 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  12:34:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
quote:
Moi gotz lotz more on the Amenhotep thingy but dead, chopped-up moo cow (butts and shoulders] is on sale, BOGO, at Kroger and moi gotz to go.
I mean, after all…..Beefy The Beef Bull sez, “Gnaw me head off.”

It may just be me, but why don't you cut this weird jargon bullshit and just use english?


If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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TOR Hershman
Not Funny

51 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2007 :  13:11:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit TOR Hershman's Homepage Send TOR Hershman a Private Message
Well, where we we?
Ahhhhh, yes….. “AMEN (hotep IV, that is)” is only the second flick moi hast made (except betwixt moi's ears and outta moi's mouth) and I had some severe production problems.

I prepared it as one Windows Movie Maker 'project' and that taxed my lill' PC's CPU to the MAX!!!
In fact, I thought that I couldn't save it as a movie and was prepared to delete the whole shebang.
I did delete all the sections, videos/gifs, from Windows Movie Maker, having failed to save the thingy as a movie – several times, and called WifeyWu over to have a look see before wippin' the film out.

However, WifeyWu ‘twere busy soooooo I hit ‘save to PC' once more and, with all the videos/gifs gone, the freakin' flick saved.


Thingys moi had to leave outta that flick:
Let's see…..oh, yeah, well after the Polys took over they split the Monos along pigmentation lines (Much as last season's “Survivor” did).
However, much inbreedin' betwixt the Caucasoid and Negroid factions of Akhenaten's government had taken place, Freud ‘twere correct about that – humans is horny, and the darker Monos were immediately sent south, way south, way down yonder Nubian way.
The other Monos went to live, for their own protection, on the ‘other side' of the chariot tracks (Nile).

Every now and then, over just about a forty year period, there would be ‘disagreements' and the Monos would strike-back with Poly festival disruptions.
They'd sling a couple of bee hives into one the Polys' big celebrations/festivals/services,
let bats loose, release a bunch of toady frogs, that did
freak-out the congregation.

This would piss-off the Poly Religious Authorities and they'd have the Monos run a few more miles further east.
However, when the Monos grabbed an entire group of the Polys kids and had a bloody fight with the Polys troops, killing most of the children in the fray, they got there arses escorted to Asia and sent northward.

Now, as far as Moses goes, he may have been a Mono leader, or the general in charge of running the Monos off, or totally fictional;
I can not pinpoint which possibility is correct, yet.

However, it ‘twas MUCH MORE of a case of “Let we'ins people stay” than “Let my people gooooooooooooo.”


Oh, yeah, got the roast AND pork chops AND bacon, all BOGO at Kroger.
Oh yeah, and some “Team Color” M&Ms, for a dollar a pound, they were wonderfully manufactured but were an extremely poor marketing concept.
Crap, Kroger wanted $3.50/8 ounces for the things orignially.

Stay on Groovin'
(DNA Jungle)
[Not as exciting when the 'fantastiqué' is only an 'unanalyzed commonplace function']
Safari,
TOR


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Edited by - TOR Hershman on 01/08/2007 13:19:16
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