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beskeptigal
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  02:52:21  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
The blasphemy duo did an excellent job as well. It was amazing to me how idiotic people look defending their superstitions. Nightline actually asked questions like if the blasphemy group targeted young people they might be condemning them to eternity in hell.

It's unbelievable.

Rebecca (skepchick) took the challenge. I think that's great. I didn't bother because it seemed very unnecessary. It had the feel of challenging a superstition like walking under a ladder just to show you weren't worried. But I'm having second thoughts of doing it just to show support for rational thought. I'm going to have to think of a way to word it that makes it clear there really isn't a challenge to it.

But in the Nightline piece they mention the Blasphemy sponsors getting a lot of death threats so be careful about disclosing your full name for that reason.


**I posted this in more than one forum. And I found the link from our new member, FreeThoughtMakesMeTingle's myspace page.

Edited by - beskeptigal on 02/15/2007 02:54:50

Gorgo
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  04:31:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
The reaction is interesting. The Rev. Kathleen Liles says "....how said it is that people are rejecting hope, essentially....."

She likens this to some angry teenage act, such as breaking windows. To say that it's necessary to have hope in fantasy, in order to make life bearable and to call other people angry for disagreeing with her angry view of life is just madness.

Sometimes life isn't what I want it to be, but I think it's more worthwhile to try to face life as it is, rather than "believe" in things that I wish were true. Why spend your life "hoping" for something other than reality? Sure, work for change and hope you can make a difference, but hoping for magic rarely changes things, from my observations of life.

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moakley
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  05:56:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

... I didn't bother because it seemed very unnecessary. It had the feel of challenging a superstition like walking under a ladder just to show you weren't worried. But I'm having second thoughts of doing it just to show support for rational thought. I'm going to have to think of a way to word it that makes it clear there really isn't a challenge to it.

I spent some time watching a few of the challenge videos on youtube and in one way felt that they were unnecessary, too. Mainly due to what we have heard hundreds of times, "Blasphemy is a victimless crime". But, I suppose that it is another way to get some people to consider religion with their eyes wide open.

quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

But in the Nightline piece they mention the Blasphemy sponsors getting a lot of death threats so be careful about disclosing your full name for that reason.

Death threats! WWJD? Indeed.

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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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marfknox
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  07:04:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
Meh. I find atheist proselytizing about as unappealing as religious proselytizing. I believe the Rational Response people are the same ones who declared "War on Easter" and went to churches - including progressive churches - in several major cities on Easter, giving children tracts which told them their parents were lying and isn't that mean?

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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  08:26:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
That's right. Atheists should just shut up about their "beliefs" and no one should attempt to persuade anyone to think differently, especially children.

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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  09:51:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
Brian Flemming's response to critics (dated 2/13):

http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/

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I sympathize with the "nice guy" atheists -- and I am happy to give them cover by playing the radical to their moderate -- but I do hope they aren't truly so deluded as to believe that television news programs are just dying to host formal, rigorously intellectual debates on the finer points of philosophy. Sometimes it seems as if their criticism of the Blasphemy Challenge (and the media circus it has inspired) comes from just such a fantasy world.

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Edited by - Gorgo on 02/15/2007 09:53:17
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Robb
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  09:59:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

That's right. Atheists should just shut up about their "beliefs" and no one should attempt to persuade anyone to think differently, especially children.

I have no problem with you giving your opinion, but it stops when you talk to my children about your beliefs without my knowledge.

Edited to add: I doubt these people would think it OK to talk to their children about God. I think the teen websites adds are subversive.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
Edited by - Robb on 02/15/2007 10:18:30
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moakley
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  10:28:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Robb

quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

That's right. Atheists should just shut up about their "beliefs" and no one should attempt to persuade anyone to think differently, especially children.

I have no problem with you giving your opinion, but it stops when you talk to my children about your beliefs without my knowledge.

Edited to add: I doubt these people would think it OK to talk to their children about God. I think the teen websites adds are subversive.

On their own volition, would it be Ok for your children to read and consider non-Christian no-God opinions?

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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  10:32:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
quote:

Edited to add: I doubt these people would think it OK to talk to their children about God. I think the teen websites adds are subversive.



Yeah. I have a problem with those damn don't do drugs, don't smoke ads on tv that target children. And how about those people who say "God Bless you" when your chilren sneeze? Bastards. Or, "I'll pray for you?" Cheese and Rice!

Have a problem talking to my kids about god? Does anyone talk about anything other than god and football in this country?

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Robb
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  11:05:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by moakley

quote:
Originally posted by Robb

quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

That's right. Atheists should just shut up about their "beliefs" and no one should attempt to persuade anyone to think differently, especially children.

I have no problem with you giving your opinion, but it stops when you talk to my children about your beliefs without my knowledge.

Edited to add: I doubt these people would think it OK to talk to their children about God. I think the teen websites adds are subversive.

On their own volition, would it be Ok for your children to read and consider non-Christian no-God opinions?

Yes. But as a responsible parent I would like to know what they are being taught.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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Robb
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  11:07:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

quote:

Edited to add: I doubt these people would think it OK to talk to their children about God. I think the teen websites adds are subversive.



Yeah. I have a problem with those damn don't do drugs, don't smoke ads on tv that target children. And how about those people who say "God Bless you" when your chilren sneeze? Bastards. Or, "I'll pray for you?" Cheese and Rice!

Have a problem talking to my kids about god? Does anyone talk about anything other than god and football in this country?

Who do you think will be the next Chargers head coach?

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  11:21:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
quote:
Who do you think will be the next Chargers head coach?



Whomever Jesus picks.

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Edited by - Gorgo on 02/15/2007 11:22:09
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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  11:36:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
quote:
Yes. But as a responsible parent I would like to know what they are being taught.


My problem with the war on easter was people going into churches uninvited and leaving things for children to find. I'm not sure of trespassing laws in that context, and I don't particularly have a problem with people leaving literature for children, but I think it's unwise in this era of hypersensitivity to child abductions, etc., and I don't think it's all that wise to tell people that they're liars because they say they believe in hell. They may be liars, but I don't know that.

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
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Edited by - Gorgo on 02/15/2007 11:37:22
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BigPapaSmurf
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How is that any differt from the Awake pamphlets I find left in various establishments?

*Awake is a Jehovah's witness publication.

Not saying I agree with it, but why make a big deal out of this and ignore the prostelyizing of the religious which is about a million times as prevalent.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  12:31:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
I agree with Big Papa, but the difference is there is some merit to "proselytizing" about reality. Accepting reality is a good thing for those who wish to live in it. There is no merit to pushing superstition.

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Robb
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Posted - 02/15/2007 :  12:59:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

How is that any differt from the Awake pamphlets I find left in various establishments?

*Awake is a Jehovah's witness publication.

Not saying I agree with it, but why make a big deal out of this and ignore the prostelyizing of the religious which is about a million times as prevalent.

I would have a problem with a JW giving me children publications without my knowledge.

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