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Dude
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For the US government to control a media outlet to release propaganda?
Because McLellan just publicly admitted that the Bush admin has issued talking points and info directly to FOX talking heads for dissemination.
I know we have all known this was going on for a long time, just by how gooselock-step FAUXNews is with the neocons...
But now there is a witness.
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Robb
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Posted - 07/25/2008 : 18:43:10 [Permalink]
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| this has been going on in every presidency since FDR. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/25/2008 : 19:26:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
this has been going on in every presidency since FDR.
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Oh hell, it's been going on in every government everywhere, past & present. Fox News(?) is just a little more blatant than most.
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just_some_guy
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Posted - 07/25/2008 : 19:34:13 [Permalink]
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I prefer the term - foxaganda
And all the news stations seem to have a slant, just fox is a bit more open about esp when it comes to commentary style hosts like the douche himself o'reiley. All the major news media have a 'slant' nothing worng with it. Hell, I say bring on more slant, the media is much open then ever now, and every one has an opinion. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/25/2008 : 20:09:28 [Permalink]
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Well, yes, they have been doing it on the sly forever.
But isn't there a law against blatantly doing it in the US?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/25/2008 : 20:12:54 [Permalink]
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Robb said:
| this has been going on in every presidency since FDR. |
Really? FDR was issuing propaganda memos to FOXNews?
Its one thing to make press releases, or to have some friends who write favorably of you in the news... but this is a whole different level. The government is not allowed to control media organizations here. Even if its a willing thing.
I'm sure you see the danger... /sarcasm.
But it's real.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/25/2008 : 20:47:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by just_some_guy
And all the news stations seem to have a slant, just fox is a bit more open about esp when it comes to commentary style hosts like the douche himself o'reiley. All the major news media have a 'slant' nothing worng with it. Hell, I say bring on more slant, the media is much open then ever now, and every one has an opinion. |
Wrong. Most journalists actively try to eliminate bias. They agonize over issues of neutrality and journalistic integrity. They bend over backwards to make sure "both sides" of each story are covered, even when one side is clearly in the wrong. The idea that every news outlet has some agenda (other than honesty) and that most news is liberally biased is itself right-wing propaganda. The fact that this is now considered "common knowledge" is evidence of how successful their campaign of lies has been.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 07/26/2008 : 00:03:42 [Permalink]
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Of course Fox News iseffectively operated by the Bush neocons, and of course it is illegal, but the Democratic wimpussies that we currently have in Congress are so goddamned afraid they are going to offend a voter, that they are paralyzed into inaction.
Bush should have been impeached six months after Democrats took control of Congress, but the Dems can't get their own camp together and nowhere near a two-thirds majority, so they don't have the balls to take on anything. Fucking Rove will go scot-free, the fucker should be behind bars.
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Chippewa
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Posted - 07/26/2008 : 01:27:26 [Permalink]
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I would agree with bngbuck on this one.
Also with regard to Rob's observation, I don't think 1930s/40s reporters agreeing not to reveal or emphasize FDR's inability to walk or WWII US news services presenting a deliberately positive slant on war stories and also reporting about battles in an inaccurate way so as to mislead Nazi observers, as being the same as Fox News today. FDR's time was a different era, (and the reporters then were much better than the goofs at Fox.) Ernie Pyle for example would never be allowed on Fox.
Today, unlike FDR, we have blatant but as yet uncharged war criminals in office and NeoCon supporters around them in the US and in Washington, right-wing talk radio and Fox whose aim is to mislead the public so as to dampen criticism or cast anyone aware of crimes in the same light as traitors or crazy people. But it isn't ironclad. Today criticism is also allowed for now because the threat of Bush and Cheney being outed, realized and arrested as the criminals they are, equal to Ben Laden, is currently null.
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Isn't this illegal in the US?
