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bmnb123
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 Posted - 09/23/2008 : 17:52:05
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I found this in slashdot.
"New Scientist reports that the Department of Homeland Security recently tested something called Future Attribute Screening Technologies (FAST) — a battery of sensors that determine whether someone is a security threat from a distance. Sensors look at facial expressions, body heat and can measure pulse and breathing rate from a distance. In trials using 140 volunteers those told to act suspicious were detected with 'about 78% accuracy on mal-intent detection, and 80% on deception,' says a DHS spokesman."
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/09/precrime-detector-is-showing-p.html
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Randy
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USA
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Posted - 09/23/2008 : 18:30:15 [Permalink]
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| Oh, great...a techno Ouija board straight from Dick Tracy. Smells of pseudo-science not unlike the cursed polygraph. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 09/24/2008 : 02:56:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
Oh, great...a techno Ouija board straight from Dick Tracy. Smells of pseudo-science not unlike the cursed polygraph.
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Yes, and every cop shop between here and Frisco's gonna want them a bunch of 'em.
Can't you just about smell the lawsuits?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 04:42:09 [Permalink]
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| Notice the lack of false-positive info, I call shenanegans. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2008 : 06:24:02 [Permalink]
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This is nothing more than the long-failed "criminal profiling" crap that the FBI was farting around with for years, and might still be. All they've done is put it on wheels, with bells & whistles & such. There are simply too many variables. A guy could have a cold and get pulled, or discovered that his brother-in-law drank up all his booze and is pissed. Or an epileptic. Or lots of things.
Or he could be a cool, calm & collected terrorist on his way to the Trinitrotoluene Discount Emporium (More Boom for Less Bucks!) and beat it easily.
Prediction: It'll work about as well as a polygraph or a dowsing rod (same thing).
Looking forward to Randi's comments.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 07:19:51 [Permalink]
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| How many people did it 'catch' who were NOT acting with faux deception and mal-intent? |
-Chaloobi
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 15:18:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
This is nothing more than the long-failed "criminal profiling" crap that the FBI was farting around with for years, and might still be. All they've done is put it on wheels, with bells & whistles & such. There are simply too many variables. A guy could have a cold and get pulled, or discovered that his brother-in-law drank up all his booze and is pissed. Or an epileptic. Or lots of things.
Or he could be a cool, calm & collected terrorist on his way to the Trinitrotoluene Discount Emporium (More Boom for Less Bucks!) and beat it easily.
Prediction: It'll work about as well as a polygraph or a dowsing rod (same thing).
Looking forward to Randi's comments.
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Y'know, it's really interesting, this, because seriously - why would terrorists-to-be act shifty at all? Unless they are really lousy and easy to pluck out, they will be professional and not act mysterious. At all.
It makes for bad detective fiction when the guilty party acts obvious. |
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Ricky
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 23:34:17 [Permalink]
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Well, if that system actually catches innocent people (and I'm unready to accept even that much) who are pretending to be angry, "shifty" (I imagine the test subjects looking left and right out of the corners of their slitted eyes), hostile, or harboring bad intentions, how easy must it not be for real criminals or terrorists to pretend to be happy, placid, well-meaning and trustworthy?
I don't buy this bushwah at all. Looks like another moneymaking hoax to me, like that expensive sensor that was supposed to see people's hearts through solid walls. (Tom Clancy fell for that one, and used it in a novel.)
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Dude
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 12:31:14 [Permalink]
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Welcome to the idiocracy.
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Simon
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 13:46:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Well, if that system actually catches innocent people (and I'm unready to accept even that much) who are pretending to be angry, "shifty" (I imagine the test subjects looking left and right out of the corners of their slitted eyes), hostile, or harboring bad intentions, how easy must it not be for real criminals or terrorists to pretend to be happy, placid, well-meaning and trustworthy?
I don't buy this bushwah at all. Looks like another moneymaking hoax to me, like that expensive sensor that was supposed to see people's hearts through solid walls. (Tom Clancy fell for that one, and used it in a novel.)
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I suspect that they assume that terrorist can only fake it so far.
If you have a bomb strapped unto you'd probably be pretty nervous and sweaty and a few other sympathetic responses that might not be easy to control/hide.
There ain't that many veteran suicide bombers around here...
I suspect that it is their thought; by yeah; there would be many false positive... |
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Homeland Security Department Testing Pre-Crime
