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Simon
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 Posted - 06/27/2009 : 20:15:20 [Permalink]
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Well; one has to keep in mind; the sun is a tabloid, not really a reliable source.
Safer to wait a bit until getting to any conclusion.
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by Science Pricktion
Demerol a serious opiate. Now thats funny.
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Yeah... I agree.
You know, I have a crazy idea, but Science Pricktion does act a bit like a prick (as his name suggests).
And his account was created only two days after the last post from a self proclaimed troll, one whose all but admitted purpose was to earn himself a ban... I don't want to seem paranoid but can somebody to some IP-checking?
Originally posted by dglas
I'm sorry, was MJ convicted of pedophilia and I missed the ruling?
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He was not. I was not more convinced than anybody else by the backroom dealing that went on, but still, a lot of people seem pretty prompt to abandon the 'innocent until proven guilty' and I find it surprisingly annoying... |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 06/27/2009 : 22:06:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
And his account was created only two days after the last post from a self proclaimed troll, one whose all but admitted purpose was to earn himself a ban... I don't want to seem paranoid but can somebody to some IP-checking? |
It's been noted that this thread has an inordinate number of views. Don't sweat it. If we're getting a bunch of wanna-be mod-cops showing up and trying to get themselves banned to demonstrate that we're "petty" by their standards (which appear to be hypocritical), so be it. They'll either get bored and leave or we'll toss them as trolls with nothing useful to add towards our mission soon enough. We withstood a "Total Truth Takeover" from 9/11 truthers just fine, we can handle this new bunch of posers, too.
If, on the other hand, these new folks aren't associated with that bunch, well... the same conditions hold true. Either they'll figure out how to get along here, or they won't. So, let us (the staff) be concerned with the IP addresses. Give us the benefit of a doubt, and assume that we're on top of things. If you've got more specific concerns, feel free to PM us. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/27/2009 : 22:10:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
He was not. I was not more convinced than anybody else by the backroom dealing that went on, but still, a lot of people seem pretty prompt to abandon the 'innocent until proven guilty' and I find it surprisingly annoying... |
Well, I'm one of those. I do not consider my own private opinion to be of great import. I would certainly have a completely different attitude toward both evidence and the law, were I on the jury of an accused pedophile, as I did when I was on a murder jury. But my private opinion is that Jacko was probably an active child molestor, who would probably be in jail -- and still alive -- had he not the money to throw at his legal problems.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/27/2009 : 23:08:46 [Permalink]
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Halfmooner said:
CNN.com has been little but a Michael Jackson commemorative site for these last several days. CNN and other "news" outfits have given the hardliners in Iran an unearned respite from serious world coverage of their repression as a result.
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Yep. All tabloid, all the time. Fuck CNN, MSNBC, and FAUX.
Ratings driven "news" is not based on any type of actual fact based journalism.
Several noteworthy and important events have happened in the last few days and most people don't know because all they are hearing is how great this now-dead pedophile was.
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Simon
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/27/2009 : 23:39:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Simon
And his account was created only two days after the last post from a self proclaimed troll, one whose all but admitted purpose was to earn himself a ban... I don't want to seem paranoid but can somebody to some IP-checking? |
It's been noted that this thread has an inordinate number of views. Don't sweat it. If we're getting a bunch of wanna-be mod-cops showing up and trying to get themselves banned to demonstrate that we're "petty" by their standards (which appear to be hypocritical), so be it. They'll either get bored and leave or we'll toss them as trolls with nothing useful to add towards our mission soon enough. We withstood a "Total Truth Takeover" from 9/11 truthers just fine, we can handle this new bunch of posers, too.
If, on the other hand, these new folks aren't associated with that bunch, well... the same conditions hold true. Either they'll figure out how to get along here, or they won't. So, let us (the staff) be concerned with the IP addresses. Give us the benefit of a doubt, and assume that we're on top of things. If you've got more specific concerns, feel free to PM us.
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Fair enough, fair enough... |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 00:51:35 [Permalink]
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Simon: Well; one has to keep in mind; the sun is a tabloid, not really a reliable source.
Safer to wait a bit until getting to any conclusion. |
The article was from Raw Story a reliable news site. The Sun front-page was merely an illustration.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 01:34:58 [Permalink]
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I am becoming a little weary of hearing about Michael Jackson, and not for the first time. I didn't care for his music and his personal habits were atrocious, so I'd suggest saying a prayer, lighting a candle, wearing sackcloth & ashes, slaughtering a chicken, sacrificing a virgin, or whatever spiritual conniption gets you off, and move on.
For just this once, I'll agree with Chief Justice Whitebread Roberts: | "I hate sounding like one of Mr. Jackson's records, constantly repeating the same refrain, but I recommend we not approve this letter," Roberts wrote. "Frankly I find the obsequious attitude of some members of the White House staff toward Mr. Jackson's attendants, and the fawning posture they would have the president of the United States adopt, more than a little embarrassing." |
There are a multitude of other, vastly more important things happening in the world than the demise of an addled, junked-out, moderately talented popinjay.
Alas, Jackson will have been mouldering in the ground for some considerable time before we finally hear the last of it, if ever.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 08:07:38 [Permalink]
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Any bets on when the first MJ "sighting" will be reported?
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/28/2009 : 08:15:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Any bets on when the first MJ "sighting" will be reported?
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Not none of me! They've probably already happened!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 10:53:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Science Pricktion
...after molesting him.
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And how would you know this?
The fact that they were paid off does not necessarily mean MJ actually did molest the kid. The only thing it means is that we will probably never know the truth. And never get a court ruling, one way or the other.
On the other hand, if the kid really was molested, and the kid's parents accepts a million dollars for reparation instead of seeing Jackson in prison, how is that different from being the kid's pimp?
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 19:56:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Demerol is the only drug on that list that I've had administered, and that was while in a hospital bed recovering from a laparotomy (medical-talk for lap removal). Demerol is a very serious opiate. I can't imagine a person trying to to carry on a "normal" life while stewed to the gills with a Samuel Taylor Coleridge-class opiate like Demerol, let alone that cocktail of antidepressants and such.
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In a word: tolerance. Some people who take chronic narcotics for chronic pain problems are on astonishingly high doses, yet are seemingly unimpaired. (A few of my patients are in this group. Because there seems to be no other option. It's definitely not something I strive for.)
Big problem among celebrities is probably that doctors want to keep them as patients ($$, cachet, maybe hoping for referrals from them or to be hired on full-time like MJ's doc). Maybe the celebrity can also pull trips like "you have to give me this, otherwise I won't be able to perform & it'll be your fault" - and claim, rightly, that millions of dollars may be on the line if their show doesn't go on. I suspect doctors in this kind of situation are less likely to draw the line & just say no. Anna Nicole Smith, Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson - sounds like this is an area that needs more oversight. (Cue libertarians to chime in...)
Like HalfMooner, after surgeries I found that a low dose of narcotic packed a big wallop, & not a pleasant one either. For those of us who don't experience a "high" from these nauseating sedating meds, it's really hard to imagine why someone would want to stay on them & escalate the dose.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 20:50:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Zebra
Like HalfMooner, after surgeries I found that a low dose of narcotic packed a big wallop, & not a pleasant one either. For those of us who don't experience a "high" from these nauseating sedating meds, it's really hard to imagine why someone would want to stay on them & escalate the dose. |
I'm one of those who very much enjoyed the opioid painkillers. I'd have made a fine junky, but for the fact that I feared addiction and wanted off these drugs asap after my operation. (I only wish my nicotine addiction were as easy to kick!)
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Science Pricktion
New Member
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 08:44:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by Science Pricktion
...after molesting him.
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And how would you know this?
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And how do you know he didn't? |
Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try |
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Science Pricktion
New Member
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 08:48:32 [Permalink]
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Yeah... I agree.
You know, I have a crazy idea, but Science Pricktion does act a bit like a prick (as his name suggests).
And his account was created only two days after the last post from a self proclaimed troll, one whose all but admitted purpose was to earn himself a ban... I don't want to seem paranoid but can somebody to some IP-checking? |
Check my IP all you want, Simon. Its legit and I have no clue who you are talking about.
He was not. I was not more convinced than anybody else by the backroom dealing that went on, but still, a lot of people seem pretty prompt to abandon the 'innocent until proven guilty' and I find it surprisingly annoying...
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Innocent until proven quilty left the building long before MJ committed his atrocities. |
Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 09:26:00 [Permalink]
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| Innocent until proven guilty is a byproduct of our Skepticism, though I will say that MJ made his own bed when he had children sleeping in it. Perception is reality for most folks. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Michael Jackson dead
