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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/16/2009 :  18:28:13  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Obama disciple group gives pointers on how to run a child prostitution ring and get tax breaks. One chapter wanted the underage girls for his own operation. This group has received millions in tax monies and is set to receive billions in the future. “Mainstream” liberal medial has tried to ignore the story for 5 days but the pressure is growing as more videos surface and more promised on the horizon. So far 5 different ACORN cites have offered assistance in setting up a child prostitution ring. What say you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550941,00.html

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/16/2009 :  19:08:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Bill scott

“Mainstream” liberal medial has tried to ignore the story for 5 days...
Nonsense. The liberal media has not only run the story, but also run the story about how the workers who did the stupid stuff have already been fired, and they've run the story about how other workers did the right thing (including calling the cops). They've also run the story about ACORN's government funding being severed, so really, any more revelations will simply be beating a dead horse.

So what you're doing here is nothing more than gloating, Bill. Go right ahead. Hope it makes you feel better about yourself and your politics that some people in a liberal non-governmental organization did some idiotic stuff.

Hey, why don't you finish up over here, Bill? Got any answers for the tough questions?

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  04:03:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just saw yet another story on the ol' librul media about ACORN, and how their CEO is starting an independent audit. The story also mentioned that ACORN's Federal funding amounted to a whopping $20 million over the last 10 years, or about 2% of ACORN's total budget. So it's unlikely that being cut off from tax money is going to sink the group, and they'll keep on helping poor people get housing and register to vote, which is probably what horrifies the Republicans so much.

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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  09:43:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There was a pretty long discussion about this on NPR this morning, though I had been hearing about this from other sources (not FOX) for the past week or so.


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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  09:45:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The main thing the wingnutters are trying to do is tie Obama with ACORN (look at Bill's first sentence, I wonder what his Freeper handle is?) and they have been trying for quite a while now.

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steinhenge
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  13:58:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit steinhenge's Homepage Send steinhenge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mainstream liberal media has tried to ignore the story for 5 days....


Which explains why I first heard about this on The Daily Show... or maybe it doesn't.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  18:32:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The House voted 345-75 to strike ACORN funding from a student aid bill with two voting present.

Later, the Senate voted 85-11 to eliminate ACORN funding from an Interior Department spending bill.

In the House, the Defund ACORN Act prohibits any "federal contract grant, cooperative agreement or any other form of agreement (including a memorandum of understanding" from being awarded to or entered into with the group. It also prohibits federal funds "in any other form" from being provided.

In the Senate, the Protect Taxpayers from ACORN Act blocks the group from receiving taxpayer dollars.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/17/house-votes-strip-acorn-federal-funding/

Liberal media ignores story. Don't matter as no one watches them anymore anyway. Their silence is deafining.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  19:06:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Bill scott

The House voted 345-75 to strike ACORN funding from a student aid bill with two voting present.

Later, the Senate voted 85-11 to eliminate ACORN funding from an Interior Department spending bill.

In the House, the Defund ACORN Act prohibits any "federal contract grant, cooperative agreement or any other form of agreement (including a memorandum of understanding" from being awarded to or entered into with the group. It also prohibits federal funds "in any other form" from being provided.

In the Senate, the Protect Taxpayers from ACORN Act blocks the group from receiving taxpayer dollars.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/17/house-votes-strip-acorn-federal-funding/

Liberal media ignores story. Don't matter as no one watches them anymore anyway. Their silence is deafining.
Bwahahahaha! From your own source, Bill:
Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, suggested the vote is essentially symbolic because the student aid bill did not actually provide any funding to ACORN.
So the Republicans are doing a great job of prohibiting ACORN from not getting money that they weren't going to get. Bwahahahahaha!
However, the language refers to all federal contracts so it applies to any federal money.
But so what? The evil, silent, liberal media already reported that ACORN had been stripped of its Federal funding 2% of its budget. The conservative media's flogging of a dead horse is deafening. And look at what at least one librul is saying:
"I am outraged at the actions of ACORN's employees and believe they should be penalized to the full extent of the law," said Space. "Our government must be vigilant in ensuring that organizations that are found to act fraudulently do not receive taxpayer dollars."
I'm all for that, too.

Hey, why don't you finish up over here, Bill? Got any answers for the tough questions? Or do you have such a laser-like focus on the FOX News coverage of ACORN that you can't spare a moment?

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moakley
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  19:11:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Bill scott

The House voted 345-75 to strike ACORN funding from a student aid bill with two voting present.

And having much the same effect the Governor of Minnesota, Tim Pawlenty, has decided to take actions as well. But that's Ok their supporter will still feel that the action is justified and significant.

btw. Bill "The man who watches nothing at all is better informed than the man who watches nothing but Fox News." Your two links thus far makes this presumed 21st century Thomas Jefferson quote relevant.

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Kil
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  19:37:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bill Scott:
Liberal media ignores story.

What planet are you living on?

Now, I don't watch Fox news. It's crap. And yet I have known about the ACORN video's for a week now. Hey, I got it by actually reading a newspaper, and more from the heavy coverage it's getting from every single news show that I do watch or listen to. So, will you please tell me, exactly, which "liberal media" outlet you think is ignoring the story?

I didn't think so.

Bill. You are just blowing it out your ass...

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/17/2009 :  19:44:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by moakley

And having much the same effect the Governor of Minnesota, Tim Pawlenty, has decided to take actions as well.
That's just awesome. These clowns are making themselves more and more ridiculous every day. Teabaggers, birthers, deathers and now defunders.

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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  07:12:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
[i]Originally posted by Dave W.


So the Republicans are doing a great job of prohibiting ACORN from not getting money that they weren't going to get



No the house and senate are.

The House voted 345-75 to strike ACORN funding from a student aid bill with two voting present.


Later, the Senate voted 85-11 to eliminate ACORN funding from an Interior Department spending bill.


This is just the begining. The jig is up for ACORN and registering dead poor people to vote.

That's just awesome. These clowns are making themselves more and more ridiculous every day. Teabaggers, birthers, deathers and now defunders.


We will see come 2010.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  07:42:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, let's see, Bill. Looks like you Foxbot teabaggers are still batshit insane. And incompetent, to boot. You leave only two options for the sane observer: Point and laugh, or back slowly away. (I tend to vacillate, personally.)

You neatly side-stepped Dave W.'s and Kil's exposure of your "liberal media won't report it" ignorance/lie/delusion.

Then you ignored the goring administered by Dave on the little matter that ACORN was never getting a significant portion of its budget from Federal funding, and that the new Congressional action has no impact. (And I join Dave in laughing at you for unintentionally providing that last juicy tidbit via your own link!)



Toss out lies, ignore replies. Typical, Bill!


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Edited by - HalfMooner on 09/18/2009 07:44:36
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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  08:54:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On Monday, the U.S. Senate voted 83-7 to strip Acorn, the premier community organizing group on the left, of more than $1.6 million in federal housing money meant to assist low-income people obtain loans and prepare tax forms. This dramatic step followed last Friday's decision by the U.S. Census Bureau to sever its ties with the organization, one of several community groups it was partnering with to conduct the nation's head count.

Just the beginning.

Both of these actions came after secretly recorded videos involving employees in Acorn's Brooklyn, N.Y., Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Md. and San Bernardino, Calif. offices were televised on Fox News. The videos were recorded by two independent filmmakers who posed as a prostitute and a pimp and said they were planning to import underage women from El Salvador for the sex trade. They asked for and received advice on getting a housing loan and evading federal taxes.

Good community planing there, bravo.

In response, Acorn has so far fired four of the employees seen on the videos. But it claimed the videos were "doctored" and accused critics of a smear campaign and "racist coverage" of the incidents.

The ol' boy (community group) who cried wolf syndrome.

Such rhetoric in the past has deflected scrutiny of Acorn tactics, such as street demonstrations and boycotts against banks to force lower credit standards for home loans, which a congressional report found contributed to the subprime loan mess. But now Acorn may be finally running off the rails.

If we cry racist loud enough they will overlook our bad behavior.

Last week, 11 of its workers were accused by Florida prosecutors of falsifying information on 888 voter registration forms. Last month, Acorn's former Las Vegas, Nev., field director, Christopher Edwards, agreed to testify against the group in a case in which Las Vegas election officials say 48% of the voter registration forms the group turned in were "clearly fraudulent." Acorn itself is charged with 13 counts of illegally using a quota system to compensate workers in an effort to boost the number of registrations. (Acorn has denied wrongdoing in all of these cases.)

48% of their voter registrations were fraudulent? Shocking! Ok not really.

A growing number of people once affiliated with Acorn want nothing more to do with the group. Marcel Reid, for example, was one of eight national Acorn board members who were removed last year after demanding an audit of the group's books. She notes that Acorn received $7.4 million in contributions from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) between 2005 and 2008 but actively fights unionization efforts by its own employees. Ms. Reid also notes that Acorn was sanctioned by the National Labor Relations Board in 2003 for illegally firing workers trying to organize a union.

Nice group this ACRON.

In 1995, Acorn unsuccessfully sued California to be exempt from the minimum wage, claiming that "the more that Acorn must pay each individual outreach worker . . . the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire." The decision to file that lawsuit was made by Wade Rathke, who founded Acorn in 1970 and was its long-time leader. He was forced by the group's board to resign last year after it found that he'd engaged in a cover-up of a nearly $1 million embezzlement of Acorn funds by his brother Dale, then the group's chief financial officer.

The founder is a crook? Shocking! Ok not really.

Mr. Rathke now the chief organizer of a New Orleans-based local of the SEIU, a key Acorn ally is out with a new book, "Citizen Wealth," in which he touts a vision of "maximum eligible participation" by Americans in welfare programs as a way to force radical social change.

Redistribution of wealth to those who did not earn it.

Regardless of the wisdom of that vision, it's time to follow the lead of the Census Bureau and cut the government's ties to the highly dubious characters surrounding Acorn. (The group has taken in more than $53 million in direct funding from the federal government since 1994, and substantially more indirectly through states and cities that receive federal block grants.)

Amen!

Acorn's allies in Congress have long stopped every move to rein it in. Rep. Steve King (R., Iowa), for example, has tried six times to get House floor votes restricting Acorn's access to federal funds but has been blocked by Speaker Nancy Pelosi's hand-picked Rules Committee members. Some Democrats have grumbled. Michigan's John Conyers, chair of the Judiciary Committee, urged a hearing be held on Acorn abuses in March, but later told the Washington Times "the powers that be decided against it."

Madam Pelosi, what a treat she is.

There is a chance the latest scandals will convince Democrats that Acorn is too toxic a political partner. And President Barack Obama, who once ran a voter-registration program for an Acorn partner (Project Vote) and then worked for Acorn as a lawyer on key cases, has every incentive to distance himself further from the organization.

We can only hope. The prez needs to condemn this group for the crooks that they are. Ain't holding my breath though.

Former Acorn board members tell me the group has always been confident it will be protected. After the Nevada voter-registration fraud indictment last May, Bonnie Greathouse, Acorn's chief organizer in the state, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that "we've had bad publicity before" and survived. "People always come forward to our defense. We're just community organizers, just like the president used to be."

Just scream racism as loud as you can and it will all go away.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203917304574412792287663918.html

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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  09:04:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But Tiberi said it isn't enough. He is co-sponsoring a house bill to eliminate ACORN's federal funding entirely, ensuring the group does not receive money passed through state or local governments.

"Clearly the evidence has shown ... that ACORN is using federal dollars for purposes that are illegal," Tiberi said. "Enough is enough. What's important to understand is ACORN receives money from so many different pots that it is important to stop all of that."


http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20090917/NEWS01/909170335/-1/

Just the beginning. The cat is out of the bag now and ain't going back in. Community action group my eye.

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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  09:07:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

So, let's see, Bill. Looks like you Foxbot teabaggers are still batshit insane. And incompetent, to boot. You leave only two options for the sane observer: Point and laugh, or back slowly away. (I tend to vacillate, personally.)

You neatly side-stepped Dave W.'s and Kil's exposure of your "liberal media won't report it" ignorance/lie/delusion.

Then you ignored the goring administered by Dave on the little matter that ACORN was never getting a significant portion of its budget from Federal funding, and that the new Congressional action has no impact. (And I join Dave in laughing at you for unintentionally providing that last juicy tidbit via your own link!)



Toss out lies, ignore replies. Typical, Bill!





Who reported it and when?

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