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Evil Skeptic

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Posted - 10/30/2009 :  19:28:58  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
US News and World Report is hosting a debate between Ray Comfort and Eugenie Scott.

Here is Comfort’s opening salvo:

Exclusive: Ray Comfort Defends His Creationist Edition of 'On the Origin of Species'

It opens:

Why I Published a New Origin
By Ray Comfort

When I discovered that the famous On the Origin of Species was public domain, I decided to publish it myself and write an Introduction and give away copies of the book to university students, in honor of the book's 150th year of publication.

But when Kirk Cameron (my TV cohost on The Way of the Master) and I produced a short video clip explaining what I wanted to do and posted it online, we kicked a hornet's nest. A big one.

Why are many atheists so angry? Why are they talking about book burnings, threatening to resist the giveaway and rip out the Introduction, etc.? Why was encouraging people to collect copies and rip out the Introduction? Professor Dawkins himself said that even though "a lot of people seem to be very worried about this," he wasn't at all worried. Why did he then tell Toronto university students to tear out the Introduction? There have been more than 140 different editions of On the Origin of Species, many with special Introductions, so what's the big deal with this one? If I am (as Professor Dawkins says) "an ignorant fool," why are so many feeling threatened by what I've written? Surely, the Introduction will be ignorance and foolishness, and simply confirm the students' presuppositions that intelligent design isn't worthy of even a first look…

Scott’s first reply:

How Creationist 'Origin' Distorts Darwin

Scott opens:

Ray Comfort and I agree that "science is a wonderful discipline, to which we are deeply indebted." We agree that it would be nice for students to get a free copy of Darwins best-known book, On the Origin of Species. I'll even go further than he might: The Origin —like Shakespeare and the Bible—should be on every educated person's bookshelf. If you don't understand evolution, you can't be considered scientifically literate. And we agree that students should read the Origin thoroughly.

Unfortunately, it will be hard to thoroughly read the version that Comfort will be distributing on college campuses in November. The copy his publisher sent me is missing no fewer than four crucial chapters, as well as Darwin's introduction. Two of the omitted chapters, Chapters 11 and 12, showcase biogeography, some of Darwin's strongest evidence for evolution. Which is a better explanation for the distribution of plants and animals around the planet: common ancestry or special creation? Which better explains why island species are more similar to species on the mainland closest to them, rather than to more distant species that share a similar environment? The answer clearly is common ancestry. Today, scientists continue to develop the science of biogeography, confirming, refining, and extending Darwin's conclusions…

Happy reading.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Posted - 10/30/2009 :  20:16:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, great stuff, Kil, thanks! Comfort is always ready to debate anyone, and to make a fool of himself in the doing. Scott's battle of wits with an unarmed man is going nicely.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 10/30/2009 21:00:08
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SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 10/31/2009 :  02:50:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Twit, n.
1. One who claims wisdom whilst standing in a quagmire.

2. A person without ride hitch-hiking on the wrong side of the road.

3. Ray Comfort.

If she wants to take the time to do it, Eugenie could fillet this twit like a catfish and never break a sweat. I found the comments to be equally as interesting as the article.

Thanks, Kil!

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/31/2009 :  04:02:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I actually met Dr. Scott!

Her eloquence and intelligence was impressive.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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