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Kil
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Posted - 02/03/2010 :  22:32:27  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Obama vs. House GOP: Best TV ever

The ironic, detached style and professorial wonkiness that has sometimes made it hard for Obama to connect on a visceral level since he took office worked perfectly in Baltimore. And what could have been a dangerous event politically, with Republicans riding high in polls and Obama's agenda on its heels, turned into a presidential seminar, instead. He ridiculed a year's worth of Republican talking points on the stimulus: "The notion that I would somehow resist doing something that cost half as much but would produce twice as many jobs -- why would I resist that? I wouldn't ... It doesn't make sense if somebody could tell me, 'You could do this cheaper and get increased results,' that I wouldn't say, 'Great.' The problem is, I couldn't find credible economists who would back up the claims that you just made." When Rep. Mike Pence tried to push him to commit to "across the board tax cuts," Obama pointed out that the stimulus plan did cut taxes for millions of Americans -- but he couldn't resist twisting the knife a bit. "What you may consider across-the-board tax cuts could be, for example, greater tax cuts for people who are making a billion dollars," he said, tying his answer into the Democratic effort to paint Republicans as friends of the rich without blinking. "I may not agree to a tax cut for Warren Buffett. You may be calling for an across-the-board tax cut for the banking industry right now. I may not agree to that." He mocked the GOP for voting in lockstep against the stimulus bill, then trying to take credit for projects it funded: "A lot of you have gone to appear at ribbon cuttings for the same projects that you voted against." Sixty-eight of them, to be exact, according to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

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The whole thing basically went like that: Republican asks obnoxious question rooted in Glenn Beck-ian talking points; Obama swats it away, makes the questioner look silly, and then smiles at the end. It got so bad, in fact, that Fox News cut away from the event before it was over. Democratic operatives around Washington watching it had pretty much the same reaction: "Where the hell has this guy been?" One source said GOP aides probably wished they'd spoken to John McCain "about what happened to him in the presidential debates" before they broadcast the event. "It's quite a show," a White House official said, apparently going for the same deadpan tone the president was.

This is the Obama I would very much like to see more of. It could be that Obama is finally going on the attack. I hope so. Watch the video. It’s just great…

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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 02/03/2010 :  23:05:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What a remarkable performance. The man is game, after all.

Obama really had to do this, at last. Otherwise, the GOP and their Teabagger stooges win by stopping Obama's programs, even as they themselves remain a no-policy, incoherent force of pure reaction.

The radical right and its Party have been "explaining" reality almost unopposed for a year. But people can understand the simple concept of the GOP having been obstructionists all these months Obama's been in office, if only someone would tell them about it. Now the President has, from his bully pulpit.

Now, things should start to get interesting.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Paulos23
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USA
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Posted - 02/03/2010 :  23:50:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Paulos23's Homepage Send Paulos23 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Let hope this President sticks around. And I hope enough of the GOP listen to what he was saying, though I know they won't.

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filthy
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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  03:38:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't kniow where he's been but it's about time he showed up for work. He does a pretty good job once he puts his mind to it.

"Confusion to our enemies," eh?




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The Rat
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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  05:46:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I heard that Faux News cut away twenty minutes early because they didn't want people watching their idols getting seriously PWN3D!

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Dude
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USA
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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  09:04:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Too little and a bit late in the game.

He needs to sustain that kind of response and somehow whip the idiot dem congress into doing some of the same.


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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  09:09:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the link. I've been wanting to watch that. Only got about halfway this morning.

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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  09:47:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think now a new math must be used. As advocated widely, the filibuster threat must no longer be permitted to allow a corrupt 41-vote minority in the Senate to block any and all legislation, thus determining national policy.

The trick of "reconciliation" isn't even required. If 3/5 of the Senate (the ridiculous and infamous 60-vote supermajority) can't vote "cloture" to end debate, let's do it the old, traditional way: Keep the Senate in session 24/7 and force the obstructionists to speak all that time, rather than just allow a filibuster to be a simple procedural move (Wiki):
Today, the minority just advises the majority leader that the filibuster is on. All debate on the bill is stopped until either cloture is voted by three-fifths (now 60 votes) of the Senate. Some modern Senate critics have called for a return to the old dramatic endurance contest but that would inconvenience all senators who would have to stay in session 24/7 until the filibuster is broken.
Put your best bills forward, then let the obstructionist bastards filibuster and be damned.


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astropin
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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  12:19:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil


This is the Obama I would very much like to see more of. It could be that Obama is finally going on the attack. I hope so. Watch the video. It’s just great…



I watched it live....it was GREAT!

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Randy
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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  14:56:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That was great Kil, thanks for posting the link.
Somebody commented lately of how great it is these days to be talking about healthcare and NOT, as a couple years ago, whether water-boarding is torture or not.

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"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/05/2010 :  01:08:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I still have a few minutes to watch on it. My first impression is, to answer Kil's question, is this is where Obama always has been. Talking to Republicans, trying to show how extreme right wing he is, instead of listening to the people of the U.S. and helping to get them what they need.

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But it's alright-
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On fire for Christ
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Saudi Arabia
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Posted - 02/05/2010 :  01:43:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Talking to republicans is oen of the things he needs to be doing (BTW they are also American people). Why preach to the choir?
Also I don't think he spends 100% of his time doing this, he probably sets aside other time for "listening" and "helping".

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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/05/2010 :  05:53:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Why preach to the choir?


I said listen, not preach. I said listen, not tell them they're fucking retarded.

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It's even worse than it appears
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 02/05/2010 :  09:24:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gorgo
My first impression is, to answer Kil's question, is this is where Obama always has been.

We must have watched a different video. If you were not impressed by Obama's hammering on Republican talking points, and showing how counter productive their methods are, I can't help you. He made them look like fools. Is that where he has always been?

I understand that you have major grievances with the direction of this administration. But that doesn't make him a Republican. The least you could do is acknowledge that he is fighting back, at least with words and right to their faces. He hasn't done that before now...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/05/2010 :  09:43:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil
I understand that you have major grievances with the direction of this administration. But that doesn't make him a Republican. The least you could do is acknowledge that he is fighting back, at least with words and right to their faces. He hasn't done that before now...


Well, no, he's not a Republican of the 21st century. As he said, he's a Republican of the 20th Century. The program he's pushing now, according to him, is what the Republicans came up with when Clinton was trying to avoid doing anything about health care.

He's a thug that is asking other thugs to play nice. "Hey! Stop it! I'm a right-wing thug, too! Be nice.! We can work together!"

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter



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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 02/05/2010 :  10:42:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Gorgo

Originally posted by Kil
I understand that you have major grievances with the direction of this administration. But that doesn't make him a Republican. The least you could do is acknowledge that he is fighting back, at least with words and right to their faces. He hasn't done that before now...


Well, no, he's not a Republican of the 21st century. As he said, he's a Republican of the 20th Century. The program he's pushing now, according to him, is what the Republicans came up with when Clinton was trying to avoid doing anything about health care.

He's a thug that is asking other thugs to play nice. "Hey! Stop it! I'm a right-wing thug, too! Be nice.! We can work together!"

What would it take for a President to please you? And how successful do you think that president would be, given the difficulties of getting anything through congress?

No matter what your wants, desires and expectations are, there is reality to deal with.


Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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