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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  12:28:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hum.....

I made my point, I think, and am content to let him gurgle on harmlessly.
Thanks for the abdication, it's a hot day and the closing of your pie-hole has made it more pleasant!
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  12:51:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave.....

Doesn't mean that they deserve lobotomizing.
No, but they certainly deserve a hyperbolic trope alluding to their cognitive deficiency, which was my effort.
I thought that Crackergate was pretty effective in that it prompted some loons among both theists and atheists to break cover and show their real selves.
PZ is a genius with a bloodhound's instinct for hypocrisy, deception, and hocus-pocus like the "flesh of Christ" scam. He is a rare gem in a field of pebbles.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  13:11:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave.....

Yeah, but poor or even damaging pedagogy is not analogous to a book-burning. One doesn't need to burn books to teach kids wrong stuff.
To me, the burning of books of science, although trivial in actual consequences would make a similar pedagogical statement of abject ignorance and aversion to reason that The Texas Board of Education displayed in mandating Creationism bullshit in Texas' schools textbooks. I certainly grant you that book-burning is an utterly ineffectual activity and that's why I labled it sophomoric and stupid.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  13:26:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by bngbuck

PZ is a genius with a bloodhound's instinct for hypocrisy, deception, and hocus-pocus like the "flesh of Christ" scam. He is a rare gem in a field of pebbles.
So you're saying that PZ is an exception to your rule that an image defilement is an ineffective, sophomoric, stupid act of aggression?

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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  13:57:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hum.....

Your post still serves as a great example of a bad, emotionally-manipulative style of argumentation that skeptics would be wise to avoid.
Well, I am pleased to be of service to the posting community of SFN. I was only able to achieve this pinnacle of great examples of bad posting by closely emulating the insult-laced, attack mode of my favorite poster-boy, Humbert Humbert, and I want to thank him for providing such an excellent paradigm to pursue.
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filthy
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  14:19:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lessee, where were we before the thread evolved into compost? Ah yes; book-burning. I really don't care what cult is burning whick books. Historically, the public burning of books has never been particularly effectual and often produces the opposite of the effect desired.

In this instance, however, it has worked without a match being struck. Pastor Jones has published a squeal for attention. and he's got it. The fact that most of it is derogatory, even jeering, matters not at all.

Anybody else suspect that this foolishness will get a last minute cancellation?




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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  14:46:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ebone4rock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

Lessee, where were we before the thread evolved into compost? Ah yes; book-burning. I really don't care what cult is burning whick books. Historically, the public burning of books has never been particularly effectual and often produces the opposite of the effect desired



How's 'bout burning Disco records? I remember seeing video of people burning them at a baseball field somewhere. Disco never came back.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  14:49:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy
Anybody else suspect that this foolishness will get a last minute cancellation?
That's not a bad bet.


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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  15:01:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave......

So you're saying that PZ is an exception to your rule that an image defilement is an ineffective, sophomoric, stupid act of aggression?
Certainly! PZ's targets are diametrically opposed to those of fundamentalists and Christian crackpot Catholics - it's pretty clear that his targets are largely those very people! I'm not aware of PZ's advocacy of any form of book burning, but if it exists, it would surprise me!
bng
My point being that any book burning is an act of sophomoric stupidity...
and
bng
But at best, the primitive symbolism of book burning, effigy immolation, image defilement, or swastika graffiti and the like is as simplistic an act of aggression and ego expression as a dog peeing on a lamp post.
I certainly stated that all book burning is idiotic, but I did not indict all image defilement!

Good try, though, Dave!
bng
Also about as effective.
Shitting on a star and crescent flag is probably about as weak a blow to militant Islam as the act of drawing an erect penis on an image of Christ damages Christian faith. I don't know. Do you believe that Crackergate significantly lessened the persuasive power of the Catholic faith as it affects devout Catholics?
Edited by - bngbuck on 08/03/2010 19:20:14
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  15:13:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by bngbuck

I certainly stated that all book burning is idiotic, but I did not indict all image defilement!
Whatev.

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filthy
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  17:26:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ebone4rock

Originally posted by filthy

Lessee, where were we before the thread evolved into compost? Ah yes; book-burning. I really don't care what cult is burning whick books. Historically, the public burning of books has never been particularly effectual and often produces the opposite of the effect desired



How's 'bout burning Disco records? I remember seeing video of people burning them at a baseball field somewhere. Disco never came back.

I recall hearing about that. As I also recall, Disco was an already cooling corpse at the time. Thankfully.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/03/2010 :  19:17:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave.....

Whatev.
Thanks for the relaxation, Dave. I appreciate it!
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Robb
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Posted - 08/04/2010 :  11:28:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude


He can burn whatever he wants to burn (implied here is that it is something he is allowed to legally burn, stolen property would not satisfy that requirement).

I personally find the destruction of any book offensive, but if this moron goes and buys himself a stack of books he can put them to whatever use he chooses, including burning, and I think we would be out of line to demand he not do it or be punished for it. We can, obviously, criticize his stupidity for doing it though.


Hey Dude, we agree!

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/04/2010 :  15:52:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dude.....

Robb says Hey Dude, we agree!

Although I see book-burning as one of the most stupendously stupid activities in which ignorant people indulge themselves, I certainly agree that it should not be banned or penalized by statute.

I feel the same way about smoking. Even though certain folks have a small black hole in their brains that sucks up mountains of anti-smoking evidence and annihilates it; no one should be legally prevented from comitting an agonizing and slow suicide if that is truly what they want to do. I do think that serious ingestion of poison should be heavily taxed, and the proceeds used for cancer research, so that those that wish to die can contribute from their efforts at self-destruction to assistance for those who wish to live as long as possible.

I,as you, do enjoy my booze; so those particular poisons would have to be much more thoroughly investigated before I would extend my condemnation to alcohol!

So, hey Dude, we agree, also!
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 08/04/2010 :  19:40:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Remember this is brought to you by the typical Muslim reaction, after all. SS

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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