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Dave W.
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
It's not the citizens who dictate those kind of salaries. |
Actually, it is. If people didn't watch Judge Judy, then she wouldn't be worth so much to the advertisers. But people really do value her more than they value the entire Supreme Court, probably only because she's more entertaining. Sure, not everyone can wallow gleefully in the minutiae of constitutional law, but every should be able to recognize that the job that SCOTUS does is vastly more important to all citizens than Judy's schadenfreude generator of a show. But go ahead and try to suggest that the average SCOTUS salary ought to be $50 million in tax dollars, and see all sorts of people freak out. |
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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 11:27:20 [Permalink]
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| If people didn't watch Judge Judy, then she wouldn't be worth so much to the advertisers. |
In a vague sense. I was meaning it's the advertisers who make her worth that much.
If you want to argue that it's the citizens who buy the products and that the advertizers are also citizens then I guess technically it would be true. You know what I mean. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 12:23:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
In a vague sense. I was meaning it's the advertisers who make her worth that much.
If you want to argue that it's the citizens who buy the products and that the advertizers are also citizens then I guess technically it would be true. You know what I mean. |
No, I'm arguing that people (normal citizens) can vote Judy's salary up or down with their remote controls. If people refuse to watch, advertisers will refuse to pay for space during Judy's show, and she'd have to (at least) take a pay cut. If more people watch, advertisers will get into bidding fights for ad time during Judy's show, and Judy will take home more of that money. |
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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 12:35:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Ebone4rock
In a vague sense. I was meaning it's the advertisers who make her worth that much.
If you want to argue that it's the citizens who buy the products and that the advertizers are also citizens then I guess technically it would be true. You know what I mean. |
No, I'm arguing that people (normal citizens) can vote Judy's salary up or down with their remote controls. If people refuse to watch, advertisers will refuse to pay for space during Judy's show, and she'd have to (at least) take a pay cut. If more people watch, advertisers will get into bidding fights for ad time during Judy's show, and Judy will take home more of that money.
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Eh, same thing. You say tomato, I say red thing that gets sliced and put on my hamburger. |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 13:19:26 [Permalink]
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Great news in the afternoon, so much better than what the alternative was. Will it stand? Not even physic's know that for sure. I certainly hope so. Neither side rest until the Supreme Court speaks. All we can do is wait, for now.
Now, comparing Judge Judy's income with any Supreme Court Judge's income is just ridiculous, I see no connection. There is nothing to compare, they are in different careers and do completely different jobs. Their biggest connection is they have the title 'Judge', so what? If any one or any Supreme Court Judge feels they deserve to make what JJ does, then that Judge should go into show business. When they get the following ( fan mail) and ratings that JJ gets, their agent will be most happy to get them way more money, easily too. That money will not be from tax dollars but dollars that are taxed. SS |
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 Posted - 08/05/2010 : 13:33:57 [Permalink]
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The Rude Pundit is loving it!
The Path to More Equal Equality: The Prop 8 Ruling Reams the Religious Right:
The defenders of California's Proposition 8 certainly expected there to be fucking when the decision was announced in the case challenging its constitutionality. Whether it would be good straight Mormons and Christians fucking missionary style in celebration of a victory for man-on-woman marriage or the revolting display of homosexuals in jubilation and fucking other homosexuals in ways that no Jesus or Joseph Smith-loving real human could enjoy. The ass? The mouth actually on the organs of filthy whoredom? Chilling.
What the Alliance Defense Fund team members did not expect when they lost was how roughly U.S. District Court Judge Vaughn R. Walker would fuck them. No, they couldn't have known that Walker would actually bend them over the bench and rip down their pants and, wearing a ten-inch studded strap-on because he didn't want his dick to actually touch them, fuck their asses raw. And the ADF? They just had to take it because that was the bargain they made: fuck or be fucked. Surely, this was a hate fuck for the ages. Strangely, though, they discovered, the whole effort made their prostates feel kind of good and that, even as Walker said, "God, you're such good little bitches," they were kind of enjoying it. Why? Oh, that's a mystery we shall return to in a moment. |
The Rude Pundit is one of the great, American patriots. Unlike the teabaggers and other and other political loudmouths, "Patriot" is not a word I use lightly. From me, and the RP, you've got to earn the title by word and deed. The protection of all citizens is a constitutional guarantee. Not being gay, I like to say that I don't have a dog in this fight, but really, I do. Everybody does, because if you suppress any part of the county's law-abiding population, you will soon enough be suppressing other parts. What does that remind you of, hm?
| You really need to read the whole thing. It is a beautiful piece, filled with things like this on page 24, when Walker was talking about the will of the voters versus what experts have to say on a subject: "When challenged, however, the voters’ determinations must find at least some support in evidence. This is especially so when those determinations enact into law classifications of persons. Conjecture, speculation and fears are not enough. Still less will the moral disapprobation of a group or class of citizens suffice, no matter how large the majority that shares that view." You can't pass laws that are based in your ignorance. That's called "mob rule." The anti-gay marriage crowd really doesn't have a crippled leg to stand on. The minority has rights, too, and that's what gets forgotten so very often. |
What it all pretty much sugars off to is:
| Which gets us back to that moment in the fucking when the ADF, indeed, when all the pathetic anti-gay marriage crowd found themselves getting boners, getting wet, even as Walker buggered them until he stretched their assholes out. Now, they have a cause to rally the faithful to, a reason to fight on, and, most importantly, a way to keep getting cash money from the flock of oh-so-many sheep, whether they win or lose. |
And so, the scumbags will profit whatever happens with this desicion. They will, and already are, screaming from the rooftops that their rights to be scumbags have been trampled upon by a queer judge. You might think that they were being forced into a homosexual act themselves. But really, there is no surprise in that. They are trying to bugger the gays before society wakes up, gets sick of their cheap shit, and buggers them. That is a fear that resides in the cold, malformed hearts of all who would supress others, be it the Alliance Defense Fund or the KKK.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 16:44:31 [Permalink]
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SellingSoul.....
| There is nothing to compare, they are in different careers and do completely different jobs. |
You miss Dave's point. The value system in this country of less than high school sophistication is totally cockeyed! Movie stars, TV performers, hiphop noisemakers and particularly sports idols are hugely compensated for their largely unimportant skills and trivial value to the well being of the country; while those with truly important jobs and positions like lawmakers, teachers, judges, and POTUS/SCOTUS are paid chump change in comparison.
The net result is that Congressmen and most politicians find ways to utilize their position and powers to make money for themselves. And this is almost always to the detriment of the country as a whole!
As a country, we value and give excessive money to our escape mechanisms without a qualm, but skimp on paying the people whose training and skills govern our real world. It's upside down. And the opiates of the masses keep those masses sufficiently drugged that the average bozo doesn't either know what is going on in his government, or care!
It's also a basic element of Capitalism, and a hellishly difficult problem to correct. I am not for the abandonment of our basic form of democracy/republic and the capitalistic economic system, but it definitely needs a lot of control (and taxation) imposed on it. Our current economic, energy, and national policy malaise are largely due to the excesses of laissez -faire in the last several decades!
| Their biggest connection is they have the title 'Judge', so what? If any one or any Supreme Court Judge feels they deserve to make what JJ does, then that Judge should go into show business. |
And then the quality of our SCOTUS decisions would deteriorate to a level comparable to the decisions made on American Idol by ditzy show-biz celebrities.| When they get the following (fan mail) and ratings that JJ gets, their agent will be most happy to get them way more money, easily too. That money will not be from tax dollars but dollars that are taxed. SS |
And the quality of our elected leaders will degenerate even further, with a concomitant increase in graft, and public officials stealing from the taxpayers money, conceding to the lures of the lobbyists of Big Business.
At some point, we have to have lawmakers that put principle above profit!
We have seen recently that corporate greed (essentially Fascism) cannot responsibly run this country. Neither can Communism, Pure Socialism, or totalitarianism. But we need a melding of some Socialistic principles with the best of Free Enterprise to make a country as large and diverse as this acually function well.
I don't think the Democrats have found the magic formula and I'm damn sure that the Republicans would turn us into a money-worshipping two-class corporate-owned Fascistic society in a very short time! We need a middle road and we need it badly. Obama is far from perfect, but he's the best leader we have had in a long time! Unfortunately, I don't think we are going to have him for long enough, though. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 20:01:56 [Permalink]
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Hahahahahah; excellent indeed!
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Posted - 08/06/2010 : 21:55:47 [Permalink]
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Here's something that makes the decision sweeter:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/38827 |
“In a modern...society, everybody has the absolute right to believe whatever they damn well please, but they don't have the same right to be taken seriously”.
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Posted - 08/07/2010 : 02:51:04 [Permalink]
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It is interesting to note that this judge was originally nominated by Reagan. He failed to have his nomination confirmed because he represented the US Olympic committee in a case about a gay group using "Gay Olympics" for an event. He was deemed too conservative, insensitive to gay people, and insensitive to poor people.
He was nominated by W's daddy a couple years later and confirmed.
So this is essentially a guy who is so far right politically that he couldn't get confirmed when Reagan was prez, and he ripped Prop8 and it's supporters a giant new orifice.
Also- Out in TV talking head land the Prop8 supporters have been refusing to engage the issue of this case, instead they are just attacking this judge as an extreme, radical, liberal activist and claiming that he doesn't have the authority to overturn "the will of the people". They refuse to answer any question about an opinion of the legal issues, they just keep hammering the talking point.... and almost no one is calling them on it or turning their mics off. (I really hate our "media")
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filthy
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Posted - 08/07/2010 : 02:52:34 [Permalink]
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The shrapnel within the fallout.
| Conservatives believe media should force judge to admit if he’s gay |
I have a question: how can the "media" (in this case, FUX Nooze) force anyone to do anything, apart from threatening them with slander? The media has no legal standing in such an action and would open themselves to a deluge of lawsuits. They are not that stupid.
In wake of gay marriage decision, debate rages over judge's personal life, ability to rule.
The federal judge who overturned California's same-sex marriage ban this week is a Republican who once came under fire for his membership to a powerful all-male club that had only recently allowed blacks to join.
But after Chief U.S. Judge Vaughn Walker struck down the voter-approved ban known as Proposition 8, he became something else in the minds of some: a gay activist.
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Old Fred's gourd must be on the boil and about to kick the pressure overload valve. "GOD HATES FAGGOTY JUDGES!" he cries, and then the Westboro Baptist Church feels free to desecrate the CA state flag and again faunt their mental retardation before the world. If the Soopremes uphold the decision, they'll likely melt down into a puddle of putrescence, easily ignored except for the stench.
"Here we have an openly gay federal judge, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, substituting his views for those of the American people and of our Founding Fathers who, I promise you, would be shocked by courts that imagine they have the right to put gay marriage in our Constitution," said Maggie Gallagher, chairwoman of The National Organization for Marriage, a group that helped fund Proposition 8.
In response, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a political action committee for gay candidates, launched an online petition accusing Gallagher's group of "gay-baiting."
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Why do these turd-knockers always invoke the Founding Fathers? They were of a different time and culture, and anyway, how do they know what might have been in their minds? They wrote the Constitution and there is not a word in it about homosexuals nor even marriage of any sort -- correct me if I am wrong.
William G. Ross, an expert on judicial ethics and law professor at Samford University in Alabama, said that a judge's sexual orientation has no more relevance to his or her ability to rule fairly on a case involving gay marriage than it would for a deeply religious judge or a judge who had been divorced multiple times.
"Under the logic of the people challenging the judge's fitness to rule on a case involving gay rights because he or she was gay, one would have to find a eunuch to serve on the case, because one could just as easily argue that a heterosexual judge couldn't rule on it either," Ross said. |
Bolding mine own, and 'nuff said. The entire thing is worth a read well beyond my shameless quote-mining.
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Posted - 08/07/2010 : 08:34:08 [Permalink]
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Dude:
So this is essentially a guy [Vaughn R. Walker] who is so far right politically that he couldn't get confirmed when Reagan was prez, and he ripped Prop8 and it's supporters a giant new orifice. |
Remind you of anyone?
John E. Jones III
| John Edward Jones III (born June 13, 1955) is an American lawyer and jurist from the U.S. state of Pennsylvania. A Republican, Jones was appointed by President George W. Bush as federal judge on the United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania in February 2002 and was unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate on July 30, 2002. He is best known for his presiding role in the landmark Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case, in which the teaching of intelligent design in public school science classes was ruled to be unconstitutional. |
This, of course, does not bode well for Prop 8 when the case hits the Supreme Court. Activist judge my ass. What both of these judges have in common is that they know what their job is. Conservatives or not, these two guys have both listened and considered the cases merits as it applies to the constitution and ruled accordingly.
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 08/07/2010 : 09:15:11 [Permalink]
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This might be the beautiful weather that shines, when a bad hurricane is 48 hours away. After the storm hits and moves on, your left with nothing. You know that this is perfect, to be used to whip up the hypocrite fundy's and homophobes for election day. This can drive millions to turnout and vote, and Republican leaders know it. Republican voters will be like stampeding cattle being driven to the slaughter house ballot box. Once started nothing can stop their desire to start running to the polls. When the dust settles, they'll be the meat on the herders dinner plates, along with you and me. The republican leaders always orchestrate and use hot button issues, one's that worked before. Before every election of importance, their media breaks out their hot button issue 'du jour' and see's which ones they'll use this go-round. Republican leaders are stalking this, like a lion on a lone calf. There are a number of issues they have in their arsenal, like abortion, gay rights, big government, taxes and more. One year it was the non-occurring epidemic issue of flag burning. Republican media used that red herring to distract their legions from seeing the more important issues at that time and create a boogeyman that needed slaying at the polls. I find this possibility very depressing, deja vu. I see that the election could swinging to the Republicans over an issues like this. Toward zealot hypocrites Republican voters, this can be portrayed as the demise of morality and their way of life, which cannot be allowed. Even if their on their death bed come election day, they will get up, get out and vote. | Filthy] If the Soopremes uphold the decision, they'll likely melt down into a puddle of putrescence, easily ignored except for the stench. |
I think it will be like throwing gasoline on a bonfire One that can be portrayed, that could spread to their homes and churches, even turn their children gay. It will used to bring out millions of extra votes. Votes that will again throw the government into the hands those who will continue to erode individual freedoms, individual privacy and get back to their plundering, which was so rudely interrupted with the loss of McCain. Just like King Midas, they won't stop the pursuit of trying to own more gold, until all they truly value is destroyed. SS |
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 04:12:24 [Permalink]
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Moe & Larry & Curley & Shemp get together to wring their hands and moan about the ghastly decision made by that liberal-gay judge, Whasisface, and to wonder if SCOTUS is as yet corrupt enough to save them from the coming deluge of happy homos in CA.
James Dobson got together with his pals Chuck-the-felon Colson, lawyer Robert George and theology professor Timothy George to gnash over Judge Walker's ruling on Proposition 8.
When they were all done with their collective hand-wringing, they got down to the business of rallying the troops. Colson stepped up with the first round, claiming that this was really an opportunity because the Supreme Court will not defy the general will of the people.
COLSON: But let me say this. The gay rights movement has thus far avoided the federal courts and I think they've done so for a reason. And I think this could turn around and be a great opportunity for us because every one of the cases starting with Roe vs. Wade and the prayer in school decisions before that, there was a popular consensus behind the change that the Supreme Court made. This is the first one to come along since 1997 where there isn't a moral consensus in support of it. and...the Supreme Court has not ever handed down a decision which flew into the face and teeth of a strong moral consensus against it. They didn't do it in 1997 and this is where our opportunity comes from.
Having laid the ground work (and mangling all logical thought in the process), he then reveals the corner of a strategy:
I don't think if we build a real groundswell of opinion now over the next several months that the Supreme Court will rule in supporting what happened in California two days ago. I don't believe it. I believe that this is an opportunity we have to build a groundswell of support that will cause the Supreme Court not to legalize gay marriage.
As Right Wing Watch noted, it appears that the strategy is going to be to simply stomp their feet and say NO! We won't tolerate it.
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Bolding in the original. And where does this peckerhead get the idea that the SC fits their rulings to the popularity of one side of the question? If that were anything like the case, the whole court should be impeached, bound, gagged with an over-ripe Red Herring, and tossed into the Potomac River to drown amongst the dead rats, scupper trout, and the discarded condoms.
An interesting side note is that five of the justices are Catholic and the rest Jewish. What that might have to do with the coming decision, I cannot say.
Robert George weighs in on the strategy thus:
Chuck Colson's right! It might very well depend on whether we make clear to the justices that the redefinition of marriage, uh, the destruction of the historic understanding of marriage as the union of one man and woman simply will not be accepted by us, we the people, as legitimate.
Did you hear THAT, people? It simply. will. not. be. accepted. by us. The people.
Yeah, right.
Now the interesting thing here is that in the days when Loving vs. Virginia was moving through the courts, more people viewed interracial marriage as an abomination than the number who view gay marriage in that light.
Via The Moderate Voice:
The take away message is clear: in 1968 Gallup found that 73% “disapproved” of interracial marriage with 20% “approving.” By contrast 30% say they support gay marriage and 28% civil unions.
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Bolding again in the original. Tough titty, Bobby. If the decision goes against you, you will simply. have. to. learn. to. live. with. it.
We shall see.......
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Judge strikes down Prop 8
