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justintime
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 08:08:22 [Permalink]
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To answer some of the challenges.
How many leaders who committed genocide turn out gay? I used the word many because we have records of genocides and of world leaders who committed crimes against humanity. But no proof any were gay. We cannot assign a percentage or extrapolate from the percentage of gay men is the world to arrive at a probability, approximate percent. We have to have an actual count.
podcat and DaveW is right "Someone who takes what they can believe, accept is a very poor skeptic." My position was "if the data is irrefutable" there would be no need for skeptics. Even Mathematics figuratively accepted as the purest of science( disclaimer figuratively used to appease the skeptics) requires some belief in its validity, postulations, Euclidian and other mathematical theories. Even the theory of Evolution requires some leap of faith. The conviction of things not seen, the expectation of things to come.
Is there such a thing as absolute irrefutable data/evidence). One has to at some point work with what is before them.
There was some generalizing when I presented my 5 points where homosexuals can be sure they are being outdone by heterosexuals. They are not irrefutable or backed by evidence or statistical data. But they make a whole lot of commonsense.
A good example to show I know when I am being counter intuitive.
Boxer complains to his coach he is getting hit hard by his opponent. Coach tells him no you are doing just fine those punches are not landing. Boxer then replies. If you tell me my opponent is not hitting me and I know I am being hit, then it must be the referee. Keep an eye on the referee.
I tried to draw the difference between a skeptic and a cynic. I know you guys mean well even though I disagree with what you are saying. Not every one here can claim to have some old fashioned virtues such as civility, mutual respect, prudence, fortitude. If you guys can only stop picking on my ass because nothing good comes out of it. |
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On a side note here is yet another example of those racist republicans tar and feathering another black man who is involved in politics simply for the color of his skin, while trying to claim the actions are all just over his policy.
An obvious racist here. Anybody who dares question the policies of Obama has to be a racisist and just uses the "I don't care for his policies" card as an excuse for their racism.
I can't wait for Herman Cain to be president. Number one I just think the man would be a great president and number two the first time any one of my lib/dem friends questioned his policies I would whip the racist card out on them so fast it would make their head spin clean off their body. I would accuse them of attacking Cain for the color of his skin alone and using the "I don't agree with his policy." blabber as just some lame excuse to cover up the obvious racism going on.
There is nothing better then to see a lib/dem have to eat his own BS, or at the least try and squirm and wiggle their way out of eating their own BS.
Oh well, no time to play today, back to work.
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marfknox
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 11:48:03 [Permalink]
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justintime wrote: To answer some of the challenges.
How many leaders who committed genocide turn out gay? I used the word many because we have records of genocides and of world leaders who committed crimes against humanity. But no proof any were gay. We cannot assign a percentage or extrapolate from the percentage of gay men is the world to arrive at a probability, approximate percent. We have to have an actual count. |
Right. And we don't. So it is a silly question to ask. Might as well ask how many genocidal leaders in history had hemroids. You ain't gonna find the answer, so what is the point in asking the question?
podcat and DaveW is right "Someone who takes what they can believe, accept is a very poor skeptic." My position was "if the data is irrefutable" there would be no need for skeptics. Even Mathematics figuratively accepted as the purest of science( disclaimer figuratively used to appease the skeptics) requires some belief in its validity, postulations, Euclidian and other mathematical theories. Even the theory of Evolution requires some leap of faith. The conviction of things not seen, the expectation of things to come.
Is there such a thing as absolute irrefutable data/evidence). One has to at some point work with what is before them. |
Why are you bringing all this up? The problem people are having here is that you are making claims based on little and no evidence. Nobody here is demanding facts of 100% certainty. But that doesn't mean all conclusions get equal weight.
| There was some generalizing when I presented my 5 points where homosexuals can be sure they are being outdone by heterosexuals. They are not irrefutable or backed by evidence or statistical data. But they make a whole lot of commonsense. |
No, they aren't. Dave gave a pretty good assessment of "common sense". I responded critically to each of your 5 points, and I have yet to understand what larger point you were attempting to make with them. What, that there are advantages to being gay? Certainly any of these highly speculative and shaky advantages you claim pale in comparison to the well-documented, many disadvantages to being gay. So again, I ask, what is your point?
| I tried to draw the difference between a skeptic and a cynic. |
Yeah, I don't know why you are even bringing up cynicism. Cynicism has more to do with questioning social constructs, while skepticism has to do with an approach to gaining knowledge about objective reality.
| I know you guys mean well even though I disagree with what you are saying. |
What do you disagree with and why? Every time someone on here counters something you've said, you don't respond with another counter. Instead you just go forward as if what you previously said was never disputed or you change the subject.
| Not every one here can claim to have some old fashioned virtues such as civility, mutual respect, prudence, fortitude. If you guys can only stop picking on my ass because nothing good comes out of it. |
Oh more of that high and mighty bullshit. That is such a dodge. I am reminded of Plato's "Apology", in where Socrates who is on trial for atheism (but really for offending some powerful people with his outspoken skepticism and criticisms) apologizes in advance to the jury for his plain and sometimes crass way of speaking. Of course he's really making the point that the strength of someone's argument has nothing to do with the rhetorical style in which they present it. Amen, mother fucker, amen! |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 12:32:42 [Permalink]
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Now how does the last paragraph apply here. You are not seeing any master orator who is eloquent, persuasive, or even wise speaking the truth with wisdom. Eastern Philosophy teaches it is not what you descended from but what you ascend to that matters. Do we have to continue to bear the indelible stamp of our lowly ancestors. We are just a few mutations away from chimps we are told. I am just trying to widen that gap.
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alienist
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 12:45:01 [Permalink]
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| Sorry for coming in late to this thread. However, I did notice the use of the phrase "banging women" to describe sex. I would ask that people not use that phrase because it is sexist and misogynistic. Thanks |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 13:10:14 [Permalink]
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| Should we also avoid using Big Bang!, Black Holes or Dark Matter! As Freud taught. Everything has a sexual connotation. The only reason I took cause with pulling thing out of ones ass. It was overtly descriptive. |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 13:18:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.
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Oh Yeah!! You must have heard of Monica Lewinsky. And she didn't even smoke. And Bill Clinton did not inhale. Try explaining that to Freud. |
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marfknox
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 13:26:46 [Permalink]
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alienist wrote: | Sorry for coming in late to this thread. However, I did notice the use of the phrase "banging women" to describe sex. I would ask that people not use that phrase because it is sexist and misogynistic. Thanks. |
Whether that phrase is sexist and misogynistic is entirely based on the context in which it is used. I'm sure I've used that phrase, I'm sure my friends (who are definitely not misogynists) have used that phrase on occasion, and I don't see how anyone here has used it in a way to marginalize or threaten women in general.
One reason I like this forum (and it is the ONLY forum I've ever stayed on for very long at all) is because there are no language police. The only time the moderators intervene about language is if it is used directly at someone in an overly threatening way or as a stand-alone ad-hom attack. Fuck fuck shitty shitty cock cock cock, wheee! |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 13:38:26 [Permalink]
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| English is my 3rd language. I just haven't caught up with you guys and yes I am being overtly cautious to avoid being misunderstood. I was not sure who is one praying to when they say Amen, mother fucker, amen! Is that Joseph? I though it was Jesus. Amen Jesus Amen!! |
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alienist
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 Posted - 09/26/2011 : 14:29:40 [Permalink]
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Oh, good fuckin lord....
this is the context of the phrase..
Justintime said...
"But the math suggest more black women get banged than white women.... The white women expect to remain desirable even after they are stretched beyond recognition."
the last sentence was particularly offensive. I should have focused on that.
the term "banged" or "banging" is often used in ways that objectify women. It also brings up more violent imagery.
And no this is not about "Freudian" shit. that is incompletely irrelevant to my complaint.
It is good to know that my one little comment has generated so many other comments
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 14:43:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by alienist
the term "banged" or "banging" is often used in ways that objectify women. It also brings up more violent imagery.
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Then how is it not appropriate, if the context is 'male slave owner raping his female slaves'? The slave owner is definitly objectifying the subjects of his actions.
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justintime
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Posted - 09/26/2011 : 15:48:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by alienist
Oh, good fuckin lord....
this is the context of the phrase..
Justintime said...
"But the math suggest more black women get banged than white women.... The white women expect to remain desirable even after they are stretched beyond recognition."
the last sentence was particularly offensive. I should have focused on that.
the term "banged" or "banging" is often used in ways that objectify women. It also brings up more violent imagery.
And no this is not about "Freudian" shit. that is incompletely irrelevant to my complaint.
It is good to know that my one little comment has generated so many other comments
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Here is some stats for you to interpret. To get Who gets banged more I totaled the columns . and who gets stretched more I looked under interracial mix. I wish I had the medical term for the latter.
The white women column is definitely larger that the other groups. But when you factor in population and ratios and if my math is right black women get banged more.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 07:49:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
On a side note here is yet another example of those racist republicans tar and feathering another black man who is involved in politics simply for the color of his skin, while trying to claim the actions are all just over his policy.
An obvious racist here. Anybody who dares question the policies of Obama has to be a racisist and just uses the "I don't care for his policies" card as an excuse for their racism.
I can't wait for Herman Cain to be president. Number one I just think the man would be a great president and number two the first time any one of my lib/dem friends questioned his policies I would whip the racist card out on them so fast it would make their head spin clean off their body. I would accuse them of attacking Cain for the color of his skin alone and using the "I don't agree with his policy." blabber as just some lame excuse to cover up the obvious racism going on.
There is nothing better then to see a lib/dem have to eat his own BS, or at the least try and squirm and wiggle their way out of eating their own BS.
Oh well, no time to play today, back to work.
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Dude locked up my vote a couple of months ago. The libs worst nightmare, a conservative black man as president. They say one thing negative about his policy and they are racists. That's the way the libs/dems roll with bama in the office. Their famed racist card. Oh brother.
(RTTNews) - Conservative businessman Herman Cain has roared to the top of the standings in the most recent edition of the IBOPE Zogby interactive poll charting the race for the Republican Party's 2012 presidential nomination.
Cain is coming off of a surprising win in Saturday's Florida straw poll - in which he beat out favorites Rick Perry and Mitt Romney by a wide margin - although most analysts agree that the straw poll was more of a rebuke to frontrunner Perry than a bona fide swelling of support for Cain.
In the poll for September 26, Cain was the choice of 28 percent of voters, followed by Perry at 18 percent, Romney at 17 percent and Texas congressman Ron Paul at 11 percent. The rest of the field was stuck in single digits, including Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Gary Johnson.
The poll is a remarkable turnaround from the previous release two weeks earlier in which Perry drew 37 percent of the vote, followed by Romney at 14 percent. Cain had been third at 12 percent, while the rest of the field was relatively unchanged.
Analysts suggest that Perry's numbers have dwindled following two sub-par performances in the last two televised GOP debates
Herman Cain for Prez
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An evolutionary psychologist said
