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marfknox
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  08:55:16  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I imagine many here have heard this story by now.

One of the world's noted atheists says a Rochester Hills country club canceled his speaking engagement after learning about his views.

Richard Dawkins, a scientist from England who is known for his outspoken defense of atheism, planned to speak tonight at the Wyndgate Country Club at a fund-raising dinner for the Michigan branch of the Center for Inquiry -- a group that defends secularism.

But on Thursday, an official with the country club contacted the Center for Inquiry and canceled his appearance after finding out Dawkins is an atheist after watching him on "The O'Reilly Factor" on the Fox News channel, said Dawkins and center officials.


The Center for Inquiry put up info about it too.

Although privately owned, The Wyndgate facilities are open to the public for special events and occasions. According to Title II of the Federal Civil Rights Law of 1964, ďopen to the publicĒ means ďall persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.Ē


I hope CFI gets someone (ACLU, American Atheists, or someone else who deals with legal cases like these) to help nail the country club's ass for this. It obviously breaks the law. So sick of this kind of shit.

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Edited by - marfknox on 10/13/2011 08:55:38

marfknox
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  08:57:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's a petition people can sign asking for a apology from the country club.

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chefcrsh
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  09:05:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send chefcrsh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

I imagine many here have heard


Dear Muslima
Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and Ö yawn Ö donít tell me yet again, I know you arenít allowed to drive a car, and you canít leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and youíll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor western brothers have to put up with.
Only this week I heard of one, he calls himself Richard Dawkins, and do you know what happened to him? He was summarily uninvited to a private country club in America because he is an atheist....

Too soon?
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Hawks
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  09:43:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chefcrsh

Originally posted by marfknox

I imagine many here have heard


Dear Muslima
Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and Ö yawn Ö donít tell me yet again, I know you arenít allowed to drive a car, and you canít leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and youíll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you.

They're still alive, so these women should clearly stop whining.

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marfknox
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  10:32:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Um, what does Dawkins's comments that helped start Elevatorgate have to do with this issue?

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marfknox
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  10:37:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oooooh, wait, now I get it. You are saying that Dawkins is being whiny in the same way he mocked Rebecca Watson for being whiny. Okay, that's pretty funny. :-)

Although Watson was talking about social decorum, and this is a case of an institution illegally discriminating against atheists. Also, I don't care what Dawkins has done or said. I'm not even a fan of his recent work. I was be upset about ANY atheist group being discriminated again in this way. Or any religious group, or any race, etc. It's illegal and wrong.

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sailingsoul
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  15:35:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What a very stupid move for Dawkins to even consider being on "The O'Reilly Factor" and or the Fox News channel, fucking ever. What did Dawkins expect from the dishonest journalism that O'Reilly and Fox news put out regularly. Just so he can promote his book. Dawkins was played the fool again, this is not the first time. God, I hope he has learned something this time. Of all the shows he could have chosen, that was just dumb. So much for Dawkins' common knowledge and common sense.

Thanks for the petition link marfknox. SS

edit for spelling

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Edited by - sailingsoul on 10/14/2011 06:38:05
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chefcrsh
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Posted - 10/13/2011 :  18:23:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send chefcrsh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

Oooooh, wait, now I get it. You are saying that Dawkins is being whiny in the same way he mocked Rebecca Watson for being whiny. Okay, that's pretty funny. :-)


I'm only in it for the joke.
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justintime
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  09:53:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send justintime a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The problem with Dawkins is he is a evolutionary biologist and not a religious/Biblical scholar. He has the right to claim his atheism. But when he attacks Christianity which he has a very rudimentary knowledge about with his scientific background. He is caught in the same fallacy. Religion cannot disprove evolution no more than evolution can disprove the existence of a god/creator.

Christopher Hitchens does a better job at articulating his atheism based on his understanding and criticism of institutionalized religion and Hitchens does not need or use science to prove the intangibles in Christianity. He provides a better case for secular atheism.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  10:05:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chefcrsh

Originally posted by marfknox

I imagine many here have heard


Dear Muslima
Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and Ö yawn Ö donít tell me yet again, I know you arenít allowed to drive a car, and you canít leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and youíll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor western brothers have to put up with.
Only this week I heard of one, he calls himself Richard Dawkins, and do you know what happened to him? He was summarily uninvited to a private country club in America because he is an atheist....

Too soon?

What in the FUCK?? That was some creepy-ass joke. Still, maybe my sense of humour is just different...

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
Edited by - the_ignored on 10/16/2011 10:06:31
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justintime
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  10:40:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send justintime a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Maybe I am wrong but it looked like chefcrsh was addressing marfknox as Dear Muslima. I wonder what gave chefcrsh the impression marfknow was a muslim. I cannot see any other avatar that looks like it underwent genital mutilation. Can someone clear this confusion, please.
Edited by - justintime on 10/16/2011 15:02:47
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  11:25:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by justintime

The problem with Dawkins is he is a evolutionary biologist and not a religious/Biblical scholar. He has the right to claim his atheism. But when he attacks Christianity which he has a very rudimentary knowledge about with his scientific background.
A lot of people say this, but they all fail to point out anything in particular that Dawkins is ignorant of that in any way strengthens the case for the existence of any god(s).
He is caught in the same fallacy. Religion cannot disprove evolution no more than evolution can disprove the existence of a god/creator.
Good thing that Dawkins isn't trying to use evolution to disprove God, then.
Christopher Hitchens does a better job at articulating his atheism based on his understanding and criticism of institutionalized religion and Hitchens does not need or use science to prove the intangibles in Christianity. He provides a better case for secular atheism.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  14:02:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored
What in the FUCK?? That was some creepy-ass joke. Still, maybe my sense of humour is just different...
You understand it was almost a line-for-line parody of Dawkin's comment to this post on Phrayngula concerning the incident that would later be known as "elevatorgate," right?


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/16/2011 14:02:41
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marfknox
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  15:20:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
justintime wrote:
The problem with Dawkins is he is a evolutionary biologist and not a religious/Biblical scholar.
And this is a problem because...? You seem to be suggesting that only experts on religion can criticize religion. That's absurd.

He has the right to claim his atheism. But when he attacks Christianity which he has a very rudimentary knowledge about with his scientific background. He is caught in the same fallacy.
What fallacy would that be?

Religion cannot disprove evolution no more than evolution can disprove the existence of a god/creator.
And who is doing either of these?

Christopher Hitchens... He provides a better case for secular atheism.
What is secular atheism?

Maybe I am wrong but it looked like chefcrsh was addressing marfknox as Dear Muslima. I wonder what gave chefcrsh the impression marfknow was a muslim. I cannot see any other avatar that looks like it underwent genital mutilation. Can someone clear this confusion, please.
No, he wasn't addressing me. You have to be familiar with Elevatorgate to get the joke. If you aren't, don't worry about it. By the time you get caught up the joke won't be funny anymore.

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justintime
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  15:44:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send justintime a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is no mention of genital mutilation in Elevatorgate and neither is Rebecca Watson addresses as Muslima. I don't get the joke. Can someone explain it to me. I am getting distracted again.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/16/2011 :  16:07:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by justintime

There is no mention of genital mutilation in Elevatorgate and neither is Rebecca Watson addresses as Muslima. I don't get the joke. Can someone explain it to me. I am getting distracted again.
Both of those things are mentioned in Dawkins' comment if you had bothered to follow the link.


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