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Dave W.
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 Posted - 12/19/2012 : 11:46:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
The proposals being set forth is to ban classes of weapons, not additional licensure. |
I (the person you're discussing stuff with here on SFN) am not proposing to ban classes of weapons. Please don't mistake me for the idiots in Congress. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2012 : 09:00:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Why shouldn't there be federal laws with regard to gun regulations?
Also, Val, would you support the gun show loophole that exists in several states? 40% of all guns sold are done so without any waiting period or background check at gun shows or privately.
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No, I wouldn't. However, the loophole was already plugged in 1938.
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There is the firearms instant check available through the government which these gun show vendors must abide by. Private sales, like private sales of automobiles, happen. This act provides for the prosecution of those who don't check the existence of a FOID card or rudimentary checks. The waiting period is largely useless. People who already own weapons aren't going to run out to purchase a new one just for the occassion of killing someone in the heat of passion.
And getting an FOID card is a drawn out process. |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2012 : 13:10:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Why shouldn't there be federal laws with regard to gun regulations?
Also, Val, would you support the gun show loophole that exists in several states? 40% of all guns sold are done so without any waiting period or background check at gun shows or privately.
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"Waiting period? But I'm mad now!" --Homer Simpson
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
854 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2012 : 13:42:56 [Permalink]
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| How about increased penalties for crimes being committed by weapons registered to another person? Sort of coerce proper registration transfer at gun shows/private sales. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2012 : 07:45:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Machi4velli
How about increased penalties for crimes being committed by weapons registered to another person? Sort of coerce proper registration transfer at gun shows/private sales.
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Already in force. Unless you report the weapon stolen, you are financially on the hook in the case of a crime done by someone else if you are the registered gun owner. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2012 : 13:01:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by Machi4velli
How about increased penalties for crimes being committed by weapons registered to another person? Sort of coerce proper registration transfer at gun shows/private sales.
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Already in force. Unless you report the weapon stolen, you are financially on the hook in the case of a crime done by someone else if you are the registered gun owner.
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All gun laws are already enforce and enforced. Guns are not to blame for anything. People kill, not guns...
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26021 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2012 : 20:13:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Private sales, like private sales of automobiles, happen. |
How many private auto sales happen without transferring the title? |
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Dave W.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13476 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2012 : 18:09:35 [Permalink]
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Pretty much everyone thought the NRA suggestions were stupid. Even on the right. Even NRA members. Basically, LaPierre made himself a laughing stock.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2012 : 09:59:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Private sales, like private sales of automobiles, happen. |
How many private auto sales happen without transferring the title?
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I've been involved in one. It is more common than private sales of guns where the proper paperwork wasn't filed.
What happens is that the person buying the car takes the title (signed) and never tells the government or files the transfer paperwork. Happened to me only once. It was a mess that I will not be repeating.
The individual ended up abandoning the vehicle on the street. It was leaking every fluid imaginable. It got towed and then crushed by the City of Chicago (with my blessing).
I'm now to the point where I insist that the buyer and I drive to the nearest DMV to get everything sorted out there. Transfer of funds and title happens there. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2012 : 10:01:47 [Permalink]
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A cop in every school.
[sarcasm] Oh, yeah. Police response was the core issue [/sarcasm]
LaPierre is an idiot. He was the reason George H. W. Bush resigned from the NRA in 1995.
He also isn't coming up with any realistic or effective solutions. |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/24/2012 : 13:18:55 [Permalink]
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"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," said Wayne LaPierre, NRA's executive vice president.
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Well, that seemed to always work when I was 10. |
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict
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Posted - 12/25/2012 : 09:10:20 [Permalink]
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Maybe we can learn from those who have banned guns. Does it reduce murders, does it increase safety?
Australia banned guns and promised positive results.
Penn Jellet adds his two cents. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 12/25/2012 : 14:15:33 [Permalink]
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Sweden has a semi-recurring period when they give amnesty from "illegal possession of firearms" if you turn them in to the police. No questions asked.
"I found this under a log in the woods..."
"Ok, thank you! We'll take care of it."
A way for people to dispose of illegal weapons without it getting into someone else's wrong hands.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Well regulated militias
