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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 07/10/2017 :  00:12:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We have to remember that our defense is not just a commitment of money, it is a commitment of will. Because as the Polish experience reminds us, the defense of the West ultimately rests not only on means but also on the will of its people to prevail and be successful and get what you have to have. The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive. Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?


Trump is starting to talk some sense

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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  20:43:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

Trump is starting to talk some sense
Only if you're a racist xenophobe. Thanks for admitting that, OFfC.

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Posted - 07/20/2017 :  06:05:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The President vs. Federal Law Enforcement: Trump Attacks Everyone:
...If Attorney General Jeff Sessions does not resign this morning, it will reflect nothing more or less than a lack of self respect on his part—a willingness to hold office even with the overt disdain of the President of the United States, at whose pleasure he serves, nakedly on the record.

The president is evidently distraught at Sessions’s recusal from the Russia investigation “right after he gets the job.” (Sessions recused himself on March 2—three weeks after his swearing-in and fifteen weeks after his nomination.) The Attorney General gave the president “zero” heads up, Trump says. In Trump’s view: “Sessions should have never recused himself, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job, and I would have picked somebody else.” He twice describes Sessions’s decision as “unfair to the president,” seemingly unaware that his recusal was almost surely compelled by Justice Department recusal rules. That is, the President is openly expressing bitterness toward his attorney general for following the rules—because the rules don’t favor Trump’s interests. He wants an attorney general who will actively supervise the Justice Department, and the Russia investigation, in a fashion congenial to his interests, and he has no compunction about saying so explicitly. He made perfectly clear that he regrets appointing Sessions. He made equally clear that Sessions’s job is, in his mind, a personal service contract to him and that if Sessions couldn’t deliver on service to Trump, he shouldn’t have taken the position.

To add insult to injury, Trump also heaped scorn on the then-nominee’s inability to give satisfactory answers about his meetings with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during his confirmation hearing—on which he blames the recusal. “Sessions gave some bad answers,” he said. The president went on: “He gave some answers that were simple questions and should have been simple answers, but they weren’t. He then becomes attorney general, and he then announces he’s going to recuse himself. Why wouldn’t he have told me that before?”

Sessions has hardly shrouded himself in glory over the past few months, but it is wildly improper for the President to talk about the attorney general in this fashion...

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The Rat
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Posted - 07/20/2017 :  20:01:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote

I may have discovered the problem. Up here in Canada, we vote for one person on a ballot, that's it. The party with the most elected representatives takes control of Parliament. But down there, you're voting for everyone from President down to local dog-catcher. Looks like somebody screwed up and installed the dog-catcher.


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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/25/2017 :  18:13:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I actually feel sorry for racist whiner Jeff Sessions, now. His boss is dumping on him all over the place, and has the nerve to call Sessions the "beleaguered" Attorney General.

Beleaguered because of you, Trump.

I have no doubt that left alone, Jeff Sessions would be a horrible AG. But nobody deserves to have the guy who picked him for his job shit all over him when he becomes inconvenient.

I also can't help but think that the reason Sessions is insisting on staying on the job is primarily that his self-esteem is so low he thinks this persecution (rightly called, coming from Trump) is evidence of his worth in the eyes of God. Maybe Sessions is thinking that any replacement will be worse than he is - or, God forbid, will re-implement Obama's policies - but mostly, from outside his head, he's just looking more and more like a doormat for Trump's muddy shoes.

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Posted - 07/31/2017 :  17:50:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Trump as a wanna-be Blake from Glengarry Glen Ross:
He wants to be John Wayne, but what he is is “Woody Allen without the humor.” Peggy Noonan, to whom we owe that observation, has his number: He is soft, weak, whimpering, and petulant. He isn’t smart enough to do the job and isn’t man enough to own up to the fact. For all his gold-plated toilets, he is at heart that middling junior salesman watching Glengarry Glen Ross and thinking to himself: “That’s the man I want to be.” How many times do you imagine he has stood in front of a mirror trying to project like Alec Baldwin? Unfortunately for the president, it’s Baldwin who does the good imitation of Trump, not the other way around.
And this is from a conservative at National Review.

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Kil
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Posted - 08/01/2017 :  13:15:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Trump as a wanna-be Blake from Glengarry Glen Ross:
He wants to be John Wayne, but what he is is “Woody Allen without the humor.” Peggy Noonan, to whom we owe that observation, has his number: He is soft, weak, whimpering, and petulant. He isn’t smart enough to do the job and isn’t man enough to own up to the fact. For all his gold-plated toilets, he is at heart that middling junior salesman watching Glengarry Glen Ross and thinking to himself: “That’s the man I want to be.” How many times do you imagine he has stood in front of a mirror trying to project like Alec Baldwin? Unfortunately for the president, it’s Baldwin who does the good imitation of Trump, not the other way around.
And this is from a conservative at National Review.
Really great stuff. I posted a link to the article on my fb page.

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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 08/09/2017 :  19:30:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Your willingness to believe absurd things as long as they’re pitched from the right people and reinforce your political and social beliefs is, quite frankly, astounding."

http://www.alreporter.com/2017/08/04/remaining-trump-supporters-arent-favors/
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  20:26:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Trump refuses to condemn this in particular:



Instead, Trump blames "hatred, bigotry, violence, on many sides."

The guy who drove his car into the counter-protestors probably won't be officially called a "domestic terrorist," but he should be.

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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  22:21:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dan Pfeiffer:
Only 8 months into the Trump Presidency we are on the brink of nuclear war and Nazis are in streets of an American city. Seems about right

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Posted - 08/13/2017 :  18:16:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How many times did Trump criticize people (especially Obama) for not saying, "radical islamic terrorists?"

Trump refuses to say "white supremacists" or "Nazis."

You know when Orrin freakin' Hatch says your response was pathetic, you've really phoned it in.

Scalzi opines:
Denouncing Nazis and the KKK and violent white supremacists by those names should not be a difficult thing for a president to do, particularly when those groups are the instigators and proximate cause of violence in an American city, and one of their number has rammed his car through a group of counter-protestors, killing one and injuring dozens more. This is a moral gimme — something so obvious and clear and easy that a president should almost not get credit for it, any more than he should get credit for putting on pants before he goes to have a press conference.

And yet this president — our president, the current President of the United States — couldn’t manage it. The best he could manage was to fumble through a condemnation of “many sides,” as if those protesting the Nazis and the KKK and the violent white supremacists had equal culpability for the events of the day. He couldn’t manage this moral gimme, and when his apparatchiks were given an opportunity to take a mulligan on it, they doubled down instead.

This was a spectacular failure of leadership, the moral equivalent not only of missing a putt with the ball on the lip of the cup, but of taking out your favorite driver and whacking that ball far into the woods. Our president literally could not bring himself to say that Nazis and the KKK and violent white supremacists are bad. He sorely wants you to believe he implied it. But he couldn’t say it.

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Posted - 08/14/2017 :  17:17:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey, Trump finally condemned the bad guys! It only took 48 hours and a teleprompter, 'cause if he went off-script I'm sure he knew he'd screw it up and have to do it all over again.

Edited to add: but it only took Trump 54 minutes to defame (via Twitter) a black CEO who criticized Trump's earlier refusal to condemn the bad guys.

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Posted - 08/15/2017 :  09:37:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And after a weekend in which a neo-Nazi ran a woman down with his car, Trump tweets out a cartoon of a "Trump Train" killing a CNN reporter, and then he says he's thinking about pardoning Sheriff-Turned-Convicted-Criminal Joe Arpaio, who is the sort of racist bigot he just condemned yesterday.

Trump's moral compass points only at himself.

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Posted - 08/15/2017 :  18:34:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And because Trump has now tried to pull a "both sides do it" regarding Charlottesville (and because maybe not everyone here knows), "antifa" people are only generally left of fascism. "Antifa" appears to be short for "anti fascist." 100% of U.S. congressional conservatives were anti-fascist in 1942, when they all decided to declare war on Germany, Japan and Italy. Today's "antifa" groups that show up at fascist rallies and other far-right gathering trying to provoke violence from the fascists are not necessarily on "the left," nor are they necessarily "liberal."

Not least because some of them are anarchists. The left in the U.S. today argues for a "liberal" use of government power (but not so much as socialists). Anarchists advocate for no government at all. Could be the ultimate conservatism, but more likely analogous to "bald" being a hair color. Anarchists and fascists are definitely diametrically opposed on the scale of "how important is the government in my day-to-day life," but that scale doesn't align with the current U.S. left/right dichotomy much at all.

So when the Tweeter-in-Chief talks about "many sides" or "both sides" causing violence, he's just displaying his ignorance.

Many of the counter-protesters in Charlottesville were with lefty church groups, and so highly unlikely to start violence. "Jesus is love" and all that.

I read one eye-witness account of a woman throwing some ice cubes from her fast-food drink cup at a Nazi. She was punched in the face for it.

I've read a couple of articles that said some counter-protesters in Charlottesville threw water bottles (the ubiquitous plastic ones, I'm sure) at the Nazis. These were probably antifa, specifically trying to rile the assholes into violence. And it seems to have worked.

Rolling Stone magazine said some people showed up armed with balloons filled with urine to throw, but didn't say who.

The "left" comes to these things armed with cameras and protest signs. Antifa come to these things armed with masks, sticks and batons. The Nazis came Saturday prepared with riot shields and assault rifles. It's surprising there wasn't a huge body count due to the people openly carrying deadly weapons, and it took a Nazi in a car getting angry with pedestrians to kill someone.

Even more amazing, there are photos that appear to show people on the far right fighting with each other during Saturday's riots. Perhaps the conservatives' current ideological purity tests are too strict for them to get along, even when it comes to something like defending the celebration of a racist traitor like Robert E. Lee.

"Both sides do it?" No, but it looks like one side did it to itself.

Edited to add: a coworker of mine said that the counter-protesters were throwing rocks at the Nazis. That's how he - my coworker - justified his own stupidly smug both-sides-do-itism. But I Googled my ass off trying to find a source for that claim - even delving into Breitbart and FOX News, both of which are champions of the both-sides narrative and should have had dozens of "liberals throwing stones" headlines - but was unable to substantiate it.

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Posted - 08/15/2017 :  18:51:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh yeah, let's not forget that David Duke is writing thank-you Tweets to Trump for saying that not every Nazi is an asswipe. Good going, Trump.

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