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the_ignored
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 Posted - 02/05/2006 : 01:22:39
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Hate to end my posting term here on a bad note, but this looks rather bad.
It looks like the Administration is clamping down on scientists more and more....From one of the links (Cosmic Variance) quoted from the first linked article above:
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The Big Bang is "not proven fact; it is opinion," Mr. Deutsch wrote, adding, "It is not NASA's place, nor should it be to make a declaration such as this about the existence of the universe that discounts intelligent design by a creator."
It continued: "This is more than a science issue, it is a religious issue. And I would hate to think that young people would only be getting one-half of this debate from NASA. That would mean we had failed to properly educate the very people who rely on us for factual information the most."
Now, I've read in "Discover", a layman's science mag, about some people who have SCIENTIFIC reasons to dispute the big bang, but that doesn't seem to be the administration's concern, really, is it?
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 02/05/2006 01:30:44
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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 Posted - 02/05/2006 : 01:39:55 [Permalink]
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I would suggest that Deutsch is a pipsqueak who's probably not going to have any staying power with this thing. Nice try on his part, but that bat won't fly. It'd take something more like armed intervention to get space scientists to pretend the Big Bang isn't the preeminent theory of cosmology. I think this legend-in-his-own-mind hotshot is probably way out on a limb by himself, acting without real backing.
But it certainly is interesting, and his commands to NASA might be the beginning of a push on the physical sciences by the Republicans and their theocratic allies.
Deutch may have just as well called for NASA to stop talking about the Earth being spherical. He's making a laughingstock of the Administration.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 03:43:05 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by the_ignored
Hate to end my posting term here on a bad note, but this looks rather bad.
It looks like the Administration is clamping down on scientists more and more....From one of the links (Cosmic Variance) quoted from the first linked article above:
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The Big Bang is "not proven fact; it is opinion," Mr. Deutsch wrote, adding, "It is not NASA's place, nor should it be to make a declaration such as this about the existence of the universe that discounts intelligent design by a creator."
It continued: "This is more than a science issue, it is a religious issue. And I would hate to think that young people would only be getting one-half of this debate from NASA. That would mean we had failed to properly educate the very people who rely on us for factual information the most."
Now, I've read in "Discover", a layman's science mag, about some people who have SCIENTIFIC reasons to dispute the big bang, but that doesn't seem to be the administration's concern, really, is it?
In this, Mr. Deutsch, who wouldn't know science from the hole in his head, is correct. It is a strictly religious issue, at least as far as the YECs are concerned. Anything that might cast the least doubt upon an already, highly doubtful set of beliefs must be attacked.
Heh, this idiot and the idiot(s) that appointed him have nothing even like a theory to replace the 'Big Bang' and never will. All they will ever have is conjecture, and a pretty weak conjecture at that. Indeed, it is telling that Bush, far from a mental or moral or ethical giant himself, should appoint such an unqualified person to such a post. But then, he does a lot of that, doesn't he? quote:
Hate to end my posting term here on a bad note, but this looks rather bad.
Erm, are you going somewhere?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Siberia
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 06:20:52 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Erm, are you going somewhere?
Ig has informed me (since we're sneaky and speak outside SFN's realm ) he's been sacked. He'll be away until he gets his life back on the tracks. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 07:29:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Erm, are you going somewhere?
Ig has informed me (since we're sneaky and speak outside SFN's realm) he's been sacked. He'll be away until he gets his life back on the tracks.
Wishing all luck, and hoping out friend returns soonest.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 11:50:25 [Permalink]
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Here's a link to a Time magazine piece by Karen Tumulty and Mark Thompson on the Bush administration's efforts to force science to serve its right-wing religious and political ideology, as well as the financial interests of its business and industrial patrons:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1156535,00.html
One quote: quote:
Last week, in his State of the Union address, the President pointed to scientific research as the way to "lead the world in opportunity and innovation for decades to come." Yet growing numbers of researchers, both in and out of government, say their findings—on pollution, climate change, reproductive health, stem-cell research and other areas in which science often finds itself at odds with religious, ideological or corporate interests—are being discounted, distorted or quashed by Bush Administration appointees.
The way the nitwit Commissar Deutsch has tried to tamper with NASA over the Big Bang seems to be more a general, systematic campaign than I had thought when I posted earlier. The more I look into this, the more alarmed I become. Lysenko, indeed.
Here's another link, comparing Bush and Stalin in their manipulation of science:
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0614-04.htm
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 13:21:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Erm, are you going somewhere?
Ig has informed me (since we're sneaky and speak outside SFN's realm) he's been sacked. He'll be away until he gets his life back on the tracks.
Well if he has a home computer and a phone, there's always nocharge.com. Why would getting sacked mean he can't continue to chat?
BTW, if you're still reading Iggy, I've been fired twice in my long career and both times ended up with a much better job. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 13:25:17 [Permalink]
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| The comment about "half the debate" is the most disturbing, the corrupt cronyism Republican party aside. As if the Bible and science were both viable explanations of the Universe. Hey guys, while you're including the Bible in the debate, be ready to include every other mythical explanation of the way things are as well. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 13:47:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by Siberia
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Erm, are you going somewhere?
Ig has informed me (since we're sneaky and speak outside SFN's realm) he's been sacked. He'll be away until he gets his life back on the tracks.
Well if he has a home computer and a phone, there's always nocharge.com. Why would getting sacked mean he can't continue to chat?
BTW, if you're still reading Iggy, I've been fired twice in my long career and both times ended up with a much better job.
I think it means he'll be busy trying to get a new one...? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 14:02:36 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal chimed in: quote:
The comment about "half the debate" is the most disturbing, the corrupt cronyism Republican party aside. As if the Bible and science were both viable explanations of the Universe. Hey guys, while you're including the Bible in the debate, be ready to include every other mythical explanation of the way things are as well.
Indeed. Deutch seems even more confused than most of his ilk. He hadn't apparently gotten the game plan that ID is the accepted current buzzword for use in propaganda by the Religious Right, not Creationism. Then he's using a layman's street definition of "theory" rather than the much more rigorous scientific definition -- and even there he further weakens an already weak definition by equating "theory" with mere "opinion."
But maybe his real goal is to cause brain hemorrhages in scientists.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 04:08:35 [Permalink]
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| Here's the BA's blog on this subject. There are 150 or so comments so far including a bunch of mine. (Under Beskeptigal) I have never read the BA to be so political but here this is affecting NASA where he works. |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 09:27:10 [Permalink]
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Thanks for the link to the BA Blog, beskeptigal. It seems like the longer we allow the deluded terrorist George W. Bush to have any amount of power, he will continue to abuse it.
Oh, and I was trying to get to the Bad Astronomy servers this morning and wondered why I was getting no connection. Apparently his current blog entry has created quite a stir!  quote BA Blog - Outrage at Attacks on NASA Science:
Note (added 15:30 Pacific time): due to this being linked from a lot of major sites, the server was getting hammered. I have temporarily turned off comments. Also, the permalink to this page is now a static HTML page instead of a dynamic PHP page, so that server load is reduced. Sorry about this; I'll put everything back to normal in a couple of horus when things calm down!
So let's run him some slack and go read it later.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 20:05:56 [Permalink]
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No means no! Keep your faith off my science!
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 02:39:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
Thanks for the link to the BA Blog, beskeptigal. It seems like the longer we allow the deluded terrorist George W. Bush to have any amount of power, he will continue to abuse it.
JohnOAS had a link to it also but in the wrong forum.
The blog and site are back to normal for the moment. I think the fact the blog got so much attention was very encouraging.
The latest tidbit is somebody now claims Deutsch never finished his degree. I hope he padded his resume and gets caught at it. That would be fun. |
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moakley
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 06:20:39 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
No means no! Keep your faith off my science!
I know you have seen it a thousand times.
George, now repeat after me, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to you own facts." |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/08/2006 : 03:46:57 [Permalink]
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Well someone od the blog knew someone who knew Deutsch, the NASA Christian, hadn't finished his degree. My first thought was someone check his resume. Apparently copies of the guy's resume were 'leaked' by someone at NASA to the NYTimes. Funny thing that lying stuff. It's not a good idea to piss someone off that has a copy of your resume which you lied on.
He resigned! 
Seems those extremist Christians have the hardest time not lying and not stealing.
Maybe Ig could apply?  For the NASA job, not the Christian one. |
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