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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 06/21/2007 : 09:51:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
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This is off-topic, but I wanted to ask if there were some smiley that could convey that stunned look that goes with reading some of the logic-defying comments that are sometimes posted here. You sit there for a minute sort of stupefied and think "is this guy serious" and I wish I had an emoticon for that. I have used " " sometimes, but that's really a different expression.
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Fripp
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 10:49:37 [Permalink]
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Jerome,
Don't think that I didn't notice how you conveniently ignored my post about the real "ten commandments". |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
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"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 11:06:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by marfknox
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This is off-topic, but I wanted to ask if there were some smiley that could convey that stunned look that goes with reading some of the logic-defying comments that are sometimes posted here. You sit there for a minute sort of stupefied and think "is this guy serious" and I wish I had an emoticon for that. I have used "" sometimes, but that's really a different expression. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 12:32:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Adultery prohibition. It once meant sex outside of marriage. The definition has changed. |
JEROME, it was you who claimed "I look to the actual meanings of the words." The actual meaning of adultery for males is "sex with another married woman".
The Meaning of Adultery
Unlike the meaning of the verb "to murder / kill" in the 7th Commandment, there is no linguistic problems in the 8th Commandment. The Hebrew verb na'ap unambiguously means to commit adultery. It:
- can have a man or woman as its subject
- is distinguished from other verbs:
- skb to sleep with
- znh to commit harlotry/prostitution
The command relates to specifically to adultery, which in the Old Testament is clearly in a different category than fornication (= sex between two unmarried / unbetrothed people).
- eg. punishment for adultery was death (Deut 22:22); whereas the penalty for seduction of a virgin was a requirement to marry the woman or pay an appropriate monetary sum.
There was a double standard in the definition of adultery in Patriarchal Israel
- for men, adultery meant sex with another married woman
- for women, adultery meant sex with any other man
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Therefore, a prohibition on adultery would not deter in the slightest a single male from raping a 12 year-old girl, unless it is you who have changed the definition of the word "adultery" to mean something which it does not.
If that is so, then your claim of "look[ing] to the actual meanings of the words" is pretty much crap, isn't it?
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Ricky
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:18:04 [Permalink]
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Rickey said "Jerome has taken yet another page from the Creationist play book. If this is his original thought, then he is soaring to new lows."
It is a fault of yours if you can not imagine thought could come from thinking and not from others telling.
So, has the scientific method been used with these genetically "new" bacteria?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:19:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
Jerome,
Don't think that I didn't notice how you conveniently ignored my post about the real "ten commandments".
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The exponding of the law after the first tablets were broken are not the rules I follow.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:22:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Adultery prohibition. It once meant sex outside of marriage. The definition has changed. |
JEROME, it was you who claimed "I look to the actual meanings of the words." The actual meaning of adultery for males is "sex with another married woman".
The Meaning of Adultery
Unlike the meaning of the verb "to murder / kill" in the 7th Commandment, there is no linguistic problems in the 8th Commandment. The Hebrew verb na'ap unambiguously means to commit adultery. It:
- can have a man or woman as its subject
- is distinguished from other verbs:
- skb to sleep with
- znh to commit harlotry/prostitution
The command relates to specifically to adultery, which in the Old Testament is clearly in a different category than fornication (= sex between two unmarried / unbetrothed people).
- eg. punishment for adultery was death (Deut 22:22); whereas the penalty for seduction of a virgin was a requirement to marry the woman or pay an appropriate monetary sum.
There was a double standard in the definition of adultery in Patriarchal Israel
- for men, adultery meant sex with another married woman
- for women, adultery meant sex with any other man
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Therefore, a prohibition on adultery would not deter in the slightest a single male from raping a 12 year-old girl, unless it is you who have changed the definition of the word "adultery" to mean something which it does not.
If that is so, then your claim of "look[ing] to the actual meanings of the words" is pretty much crap, isn't it?
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You seem to have a sick attachment to speaking about sex with children.
As this and your avatar bother me, I will no longer respond to you.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:31:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You seem to have a sick attachment to speaking about sex with children.
As this and your avatar bother me, I will no longer respond to you. |
When speaking about morals, one often must use unsavory examples. Your inability to rationally address my points is duly noted, troll.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:34:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Jerome wrote: | That is an example of survival of the fittest. Not a change in the genetics of the bacteria. |
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What the hell do you think survival of the fittest means? It means that members of the species who happen to possess certain genetic advantages given the present environmental circumstances will survive, pass on those genes, and therefore those advantageous characteristics (which are caused by genes) will become more common and exaggerated.
What do you not get about the idea that the moral instinct is an evolutionarily beneficial adaptation in humans? Members of a highly intelligent and social species (such as, say, humans) who have a sense of right and wrong behavior which aids in their survival (y'know, like the urge to protect children and other vulnerable people, particular if they are related to you, or doing favors which result in advantageous alliances) are going to produce more offspring and their inherited sense of conscience will be passed on to their descendants and will become more common and exaggerated.
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Survival of the fittest is not the creation of new genes. It is the exposing of the favored genes.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:38:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You seem to have a sick attachment to speaking about sex with children.
As this and your avatar bother me, I will no longer respond to you. |
When speaking about morals, one often must use unsavory examples. Your inability to rationally address my points is duly noted, troll.
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HH, I think that this is twice that, after having been shown wrong in a debate, the person refuses to talk you you because of your avatar!! I'm not sure if that's more satisfying than having them move goalposts or not. |
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Ricky
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:26:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You seem to have a sick attachment to speaking about sex with children.
As this and your avatar bother me, I will no longer respond to you. |
When speaking about morals, one often must use unsavory examples. Your inability to rationally address my points is duly noted, troll.
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HH, I think that this is twice that, after having been shown wrong in a debate, the person refuses to talk you you because of your avatar!! I'm not sure if that's more satisfying than having them move goalposts or not.
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No, its the references to child sex that I object to. The avatar in conjunction to these references show this person as having major problems which I chose not to involve myself with. You may choose to speak to a person of such low morality and low self esteem; I choose against.
This is the kid in middle school that talked tough, got a bloody nose; while doing no damage to the other, and then bragged about how tough he is because he got a bloody nose. Silly mind of a child.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:27:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Rickey said "Jerome has taken yet another page from the Creationist play book. If this is his original thought, then he is soaring to new lows."
It is a fault of yours if you can not imagine thought could come from thinking and not from others telling.
So, has the scientific method been used with these genetically "new" bacteria?
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Jerome, it isn't my fault if you argue the exact talking points of Creationists. And I obviously can image that it was your original thought, otherwise I wouldn't have also wrote: "If this is his original thought, then he is soaring to new lows."
So what do you mean by your question?
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Just what I asked; has science shown a new genetic creature created.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Atheism and Morals
