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HalfMooner
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 Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:39:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Looks like you all should do some research before you make pronouncements. |
As should you, Jerome. Both WTC attck planes were not 737's, but 767-200's. According to Wiki, they cruise at 530 mph.
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I was wrong, 767, not 737.
You all were wrong about the speed. They do not fly at speeds of 600+ or 700 mph. Please post your retraction below.
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Where did I specify the speed of a 767? I just knew that like most commercial jets, that they fly at high subsonic speeds, like a military .45 ACP load.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:43:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Looks like you all should do some research before you make pronouncements. |
As should you, Jerome. Both WTC attck planes were not 737's, but 767-200's. According to Wiki, they cruise at 530 mph.
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I was wrong, 767, not 737.
You all were wrong about the speed. They do not fly at speeds of 600+ or 700 mph. Please post your retraction below.
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Where did I specify the speed of a 767? I just knew that like most commercial jets, that they fly at high subsonic speeds, like a military .45 ACP load. |
JdG is confusing you with BPS, I think. I just find it hilarious that he always demands retractions and apologies from other people when he does the exact same crap all the time. |
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Ricky
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:55:57 [Permalink]
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Wrong data was presented with no reference.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:58:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Wrong data was presented with no reference.
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By whom? You? Hey, no biggie, we're used to it by now.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:02:59 [Permalink]
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Halfmooner said "Everything in the plane was traveling at about the speed of a .45 caliber pistol bullet"
Wrong data
No reference
Retraction?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:04:02 [Permalink]
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Bigpapasmurf said " Well actually it was travelling at closer to 700MPH than the 1100+MPH that a 45 bullet would go"
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:05:50 [Permalink]
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Dave said "constantly buffeted by 700-MPH winds."
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Ricky
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:35:06 [Permalink]
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Bigpapasmurf said " Well actually it was travelling at closer to 700MPH"
700 mph is not 590mph
Off by 110 mph
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:37:40 [Permalink]
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Dave said "constantly buffeted by 700-MPH winds."
So, the plane CONSTANTLY travels at 590mph into a CONSTANT wind of 110mph.
By the way what level of hurricane is 110mph winds?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Ricky
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:48:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Halfmooner said "Everything in the plane was traveling at about the speed of a .45 caliber pistol bullet"
Wrong data
No reference
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Correct data. Again(!): Flight 11 was flying at 466 mph (I had originally mistyped it as "460 mph") at impact, while Flight 175 was doing 590 mph. Since you appear too lazy to Google, here are the references: Flight 11 (466 mph) and Flight 175 (590 mph). As to the speed of a military standard load .45 ACP bullet traveling at 850 fps (579.3 mph): Here.
Since both planes were indeed traveling at "about the speed of a .45 caliber pistol bullet" (one a little faster, one a little slower), no retraction is required, nor deserved. [choiceepithets][/choiceepithets]
You never answered my question about where I ever gave a false speed for a 767, Jerome. Since that was a damned lie about me (and bearing false witness, according to the 10 Commandments, the reputed source of your morality), I throw back your own words:Wrong data
No reference
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Someone could easily mistake you, Jerome, for being one of those loathsome 9/11 conspiracy nuts, but as for me, I can't tell what kind you are.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:12:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
By the way, when I said the computer simulation was "high quality," I was referring to the inclusion of formulae for the interactions of the physics and materials. The rendering itself would be considered crude by modern computer gaming standards. In a contemporary PC's graphics processing card, frames are rendered in greater detail in real time at dozens of frames per second. But, though such "GPUs" even calculate physical interactions, they don't do so with the attention to material science that the Purdue simulation uses.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The simulation shows the wings cutting several steel columns?
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Yes, of course.
Everything in the plane was traveling at about the speed of a .45 caliber pistol bullet. And don't forget the titanium of the big engine shafts: that stuff is near indestructible. I recall the case of a Soviet jet fighter whose pilot bailed out over the Soviet Union after he decided his aircraft was going to crash. The plane continued on autopilot (unintercepted) all the way to the Netherlands, where it smashed into several buildings and killed a number of people. I remember seeing a photo, which showed the plane, its titanium fuselage still largely intact, in the rubble.
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You are contenting that the wings of an airplane act in the same manner as a bullet. So, would a bullet slice through steel?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:18:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by HalfMooner
By the way, when I said the computer simulation was "high quality," I was referring to the inclusion of formulae for the interactions of the physics and materials. The rendering itself would be considered crude by modern computer gaming standards. In a contemporary PC's graphics processing card, frames are rendered in greater detail in real time at dozens of frames per second. But, though such "GPUs" even calculate physical interactions, they don't do so with the attention to material science that the Purdue simulation uses.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The simulation shows the wings cutting several steel columns?
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Yes, of course.
Everything in the plane was traveling at about the speed of a .45 caliber pistol bullet. And don't forget the titanium of the big engine shafts: that stuff is near indestructible. I recall the case of a Soviet jet fighter whose pilot bailed out over the Soviet Union after he decided his aircraft was going to crash. The plane continued on autopilot (unintercepted) all the way to the Netherlands, where it smashed into several buildings and killed a number of people. I remember seeing a photo, which showed the plane, its titanium fuselage still largely intact, in the rubble.
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You are contenting that the wings of an airplane act in the same manner as a bullet. So, would a bullet slice through steel?
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 Yes! You finally got it! Soft lead bullets travel real fast, and do punch through steel. Likewise, an aluminum and titanium jet aircraft travels real fast, and can punch through even thicker steel. Great! You're learning!
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Purdue U study supports 9/11 report
