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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26012 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2007 :  00:24:24  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's right, they're physically moving. Across town, from the sound of it.

As a result, the SFN will be unavailable for several hours on Saturday night (July 7th, central time).

We apologize for the inconvenience.

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  11:17:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Looks like we just lost several days worth of postings.


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@tomic
Administrator

USA
4607 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  11:20:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow, I knew and was in communication with our host regarding the SFN unavailability (read: site was down) and they indicated there was a database issue. However, they said they caught the issue BEFORE it did any damage. The fact appears to be that the database server failed. Hang tight. Perhaps they can restore the data.

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  11:27:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hope so; there's some pretty good wheat amongst the chaff....




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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  11:56:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You mean the stuff I write on the internet isn't guaranteed to last for eternity and be endlessly marveled over by future generations? I feel so disillusioned.


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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9677 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  13:23:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Let's just hope that @tomic will be able to splice the old and the new database together. As it is now, I believe every new post we write is getting the same post-ID number as one post or another already got yesterday. This could pose a problem.

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@tomic
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USA
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Posted - 07/09/2007 :  13:34:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty sure that what we see today on SFN is a restore from a backup. This means that recovering data since then is almost certainly impossible. We don't have the resources to guarantee there's no loss of data, ever. That would require a tremendous effort and a lot of money.

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Dave W.
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USA
26012 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  14:04:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by @tomic

I'm pretty sure that what we see today on SFN is a restore from a backup.
Well, there was a lot more here at 1:30 AM (Eastern). Six more pages of the abiogenesis thread, for example. So our Web host didn't do a backup between then and the crash, but perhaps did one Saturday night before moving the servers.

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9677 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  14:12:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How difficult would it be to write a program that splices two databases together?

That reads the post number from both databases, compare them and if they are the same, feeds them into a copy of the oldest backup. If a post ID has contents that differ from eachother, then treat them as separate posts, and enter them into the database sorted after date?
Perhaps that isn't complex enough? Sort all posts after date into an un-numbered list and re-enter them into the database while giving them an entirely new post ID number?
The thread identity that a post belong to will not have to change. Same should be true for other table items.


Edited to add:
Never mind me, I'm just rambling. I can't stop my brain from entering trouble-shooting mode.

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@tomic
Administrator

USA
4607 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  14:23:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dr. Mabuse:

The space that would take is huge. It would push up into a much more expensive plan. I think this is most likely an unusual set of circumstances. Something may have occurred with backups during the move causing us to miss a day. I just don't think this is likely to happen again. Perhaps they are merging databases as we discuss it. But it would have to be their own replication and we're unaware of it.

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13467 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  16:03:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sheesh, this is like the Twilight Zone. Pages that were here this morning are just vanished... Huh...

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Original_Intent
SFN Regular

USA
609 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  16:12:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Never mind my question in a previous thred... I found the answer.....

[bitch-bitch]Sad... I actually made more then a few posts today.... [whine-whine]:([/whine-whine] Figures, it had to do it when I had the time.....[/bitch-bitch]

Edited by - Original_Intent on 07/09/2007 16:14:11
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular

USA
609 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  16:15:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How big is the database? I may be able to spare space and bandwidth for some for some offsite backups....
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@tomic
Administrator

USA
4607 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  16:30:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's approaching 350 mb

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@tomic
Administrator

USA
4607 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  16:58:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Check this out: Within the administration tools I am able to access the FTP accounts for sites other than mine! That's right, I could alter web pages and do all manor of mischief. Instead I emailed our host to let them know.

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JohnOAS
SFN Regular

Australia
800 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  16:59:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit JohnOAS's Homepage Send JohnOAS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So what's the current feeling?

Do we just post as normal, and live with the loss, or are new posts likely to go missing again if the intermediate stuff is restored?

(Edited to add)We have had a new post from Tor though, so whatever happens, the powers that be should to their best to ensure that this piece of critical knowledge isn't lost.

John's just this guy, you know.
Edited by - JohnOAS on 07/09/2007 17:09:53
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