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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/03/2007 : 21:46:53
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So I'm curious, what do you guys thing about Ohio's newly proposed green license plates for convicted sex offenders? http://www.recordpub.com/news/article/2261771
I love how this article just utterly dismisses the fact that this would include people convicted of statutory rape, such as a 18 year old who has consensual sex with a 15 year old: | While a few of the registered offenders in Portage County were found guilty of minor offenses, such as statutory rape, the majority are listed as violent offenders and child-predators. |
Don't worry folks - only a few innocent people will be screwed over by this, so it's okay! Not to mention other people in the households of ex-cons who might also be forced to drive cars with these plates, if the family only has one car.
And I love this quote from a senator: | "If we are able to stop one kid from accepting a ride, or if we can spot and stop just one offender who is casing a school ground, then this will be a success." |
Yeah, 'cause a kid immature enough to get into a stranger's car is going to stop and check out the license plate color, or even know about this law. Even more so, I'm sure a child predator stalking his prey is going to do so while driving said car!
I gotta agree with the critics. Political stunt that does nothing to actually solve the problem, and creates new problems for people who don't deserve this kind of treatment.
The person who made this graphic has a pretty clear stance on the issue:
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Edited by - marfknox on 08/03/2007 21:48:33
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 08/03/2007 : 21:54:27 [Permalink]
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| Why should it only apply to sex offenders who drive? If they had to wear green hats, or badges, then our children could be on their guard at all times. |
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Ricky
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 01:11:56 [Permalink]
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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pleco
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 06:07:43 [Permalink]
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What's next, they will be required to wear a button on their lapel?
You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair, that they made the Jews wear. |
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On fire for Christ
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Norway
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 11:44:37 [Permalink]
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| Yeah the plight of the Jews and the plight of the sex offender are so similar |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 13:33:59 [Permalink]
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Okay. Here is a thing to consider about pedophilia anyway. We will not solve the problem of pedophilia until we see it as a mental disorder first. Pedophilia and sexually related offenses are the only disorders in the DSM that are also listed as criminal behaviors by law enforcement. And while it's true that children need to be protected, it will never get any better, and they will never be any safer as long as we see pedophilia as a criminal behavior first.
One problem is that if a pedophile goes to a therapist for help, the therapist is obliged to contact a law enforcement agency and report the offender. So you are not going to get too many pedophiles seeking help for their compulsion. There is no heading this one off at the pass because the actual compulsion is rarely treated.
Another problem is that many therapists are loath to treat pedophiles. The therapists own emotional reaction and disgust makes treatment hard to find, even if one were to seek it out.
If you have ever watched the Dateline episodes where they lure pedophiles to a potential victim's home, there is a recurring theme when the perp is asked why he is there, after seeing other Dateline episodes on the same subject. Most of the time the perp's answer is “I don't know” which happens to be a true answer for someone with an obsessive/compulsive disorder. The host invariably looks incredulous as though those people actually have control over their behavior. Then they are carted off and placed in the criminal justice system, a necessary evil since there is nothing better in place for them, with a strong likelihood that they will do it again once released. The recidivism rate for pedophilia is very high, and not without reason. A mental disorder does not go away if it is not treated.
Until we turn the system upside down nothing will change.
And this may be a tough pill to swallow, but until we show some sympathy, or at least force ourselves to be rational enough to override our disgust at what these people do, and start seeing them as sick as anyone with an obsessive/compulsive disorder, all we will have is more and more green license plates…
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Original_Intent
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 13:59:18 [Permalink]
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Screw the liscence plates. If society needs to be worried about them, remove them from society. If not, why bother them.
The sex lasw are so screwed up, a 50 year old woment having sex with a 16 yo boy will go to prison for as much time as a 50 yo man didling a 10 yo boy (if their not a preist, they can hide them to the statuets of lmitation run out.
I'd like to see it started with a fuel air explosive over a NAMBLA meeting....
SO I guess I can't remove emotion...... I could care less.... Just get them out of society. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 14:28:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Okay. Here is a thing to consider about pedophilia anyway. We will not solve the problem of pedophilia until we see it as a mental disorder first. Pedophilia and sexually related offenses are the only disorders in the DSM that are also listed as criminal behaviors by law enforcement. And while it's true that children need to be protected, it will never get any better, and they will never be any safer as long as we see pedophilia as a criminal behavior first.
One problem is that if a pedophile goes to a therapist for help, the therapist is obliged to contact a law enforcement agency and report the offender. So you are not going to get too many pedophiles seeking help for their compulsion. There is no heading this one off at the pass because the actual compulsion is rarely treated.
Another problem is that many therapists are loath to treat pedophiles. The therapists own emotional reaction and disgust makes treatment hard to find, even if one were to seek it out.
If you have ever watched the Dateline episodes where they lure pedophiles to a potential victim's home, there is a recurring them when the perp is asked why he is there, after seeing other Dateline episodes on the same subject. Most of the time the perp's answer is “I don't know” which happens to be a true answer for someone with an obsessive/compulsive disorder. The host invariably looks incredulous as though those people actually have control over their behavior. Then they are carted off and placed in the criminal justice system, a necessary evil since there is nothing better in place for them, with a strong likelihood that they will do it again once released. The recidivism rate for pedophilia is very high, and not without reason. A mental disorder does not go away if it is not treated.
Until we turn the system upside down nothing will change.
And this may be a tough pill to swallow, but until we show some sympathy, or at least force ourselves to be rational enough to override our disgust at what these people do, and start seeing them as sick as anyone with an obsessive/compulsive disorder, all we will have is more and more green license plates…
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Well, I have no sympathy at all for pedophiles, yet I agree that they should be treated for their mental disorder.
Not for their benefit, but for children's sake. If treatment is ineffective, then we need to work on its effectiveness. Until that happens, they likely need to be removed from all access to kids. The present system of criminalization alone is not working, nor will color-coded plates help.
As for repeated DUI's getting color-coded plates, this seems a bit more directly logical. Driving is a privilege, and such plates could provide other drivers with fair warning, and help to keep the DUI offender under closer observation.
Much response here is of the "slippery slope" variety. Slippery slope arguments can be very fallacious -- unless the slope really is slippery. I'm of two minds about this, and I'm worried that I'll soon be of three or even four minds about it.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 16:05:53 [Permalink]
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| I'm with Kil on this one. These people needs to get effective treatment. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
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 Posted - 08/04/2007 : 19:50:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Yeah the plight of the Jews and the plight of the sex offender are so similar
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Assuming you replied to me, you really need to get out more or buy a sense of humor.
At least, rent Office Space. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 21:06:46 [Permalink]
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| no i was replying to the other person who commented on jews........ oh wait, there wasn't one. |
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Starman
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 23:18:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Okay. Here is a thing to consider about pedophilia anyway. We will not solve the problem of pedophilia until we see it as a mental disorder first. Pedophilia and sexually related offenses are the only disorders in the DSM that are also listed as criminal behaviors by law enforcement. And while it's true that children need to be protected, it will never get any better, and they will never be any safer as long as we see pedophilia as a criminal behavior first. |
You have some points and I can sympathize with anyone that have sexual urges that are not accepted or acceptable in their society. However, pedophilia is not a crime. Abusing children is. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 23:45:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Originally posted by Kil
Okay. Here is a thing to consider about pedophilia anyway. We will not solve the problem of pedophilia until we see it as a mental disorder first. Pedophilia and sexually related offenses are the only disorders in the DSM that are also listed as criminal behaviors by law enforcement. And while it's true that children need to be protected, it will never get any better, and they will never be any safer as long as we see pedophilia as a criminal behavior first. |
You have some points and I can sympathize with anyone that have sexual urges that are not accepted or acceptable in their society. However, pedophilia is not a crime. Abusing children is.
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You are correct. I should have said predatory pedophilia, which is a crime in every state. I should also point out that not all cases of child sexual abuse is pedophilia. Child sexual abuse is listed in the DSM as a symptom of pedophilia and will usually meet the criteria for pedophilia. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 05:00:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Originally posted by Kil
Okay. Here is a thing to consider about pedophilia anyway. We will not solve the problem of pedophilia until we see it as a mental disorder first. Pedophilia and sexually related offenses are the only disorders in the DSM that are also listed as criminal behaviors by law enforcement. And while it's true that children need to be protected, it will never get any better, and they will never be any safer as long as we see pedophilia as a criminal behavior first. |
You have some points and I can sympathize with anyone that have sexual urges that are not accepted or acceptable in their society. However, pedophilia is not a crime. Abusing children is.
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I also agree, and regret using "pedophile" when I meant "child molestor." Anyone who has dangerously antisocial desires that he or she suppresses should be thanked for their self-control. (For instance, I should the thanked by the entire world for not singing in public.)
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pleco
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 06:36:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
no i was replying to the other person who commented on jews........ oh wait, there wasn't one.
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Except for the OP which a "Jew" license plate...nice try, thanks for playing. |
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Color-coated license plates; punish w/ humiliation
