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Dave W.
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 Posted - 08/29/2007 : 19:42:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Should this not be in the conspiracy section? |
Because the Intelligent Design / Creationist movement has always been such a big, obvious and nefarious conspiracy that it warrants its own folder. |
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Starman
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 00:15:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Should this not be in the conspiracy section? |
Creationists of all kind have often claimed that there is some kind of atheist/materialist/Darwinist/whateverist conspiracy in the science community, but not all of them does that so that is not the core of this issue. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 09:18:02 [Permalink]
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Scientists Feel Miscast in Film on Life's Origin:Mr. Stein, a prolific author who has acted in movies like “Ferris Bueller's Day Off” and appeared on television programs including “Win Ben Stein's Money” on Comedy Central, said in a telephone interview that he accepted the producers' invitation to participate in the film not because he disavows the theory of evolution — he said there was a “very high likelihood” that Darwin was on to something — but because he does not accept that evolution alone can explain life on earth.
He said he also believed the theory of evolution leads to racism and ultimately genocide, an idea common among creationist thinkers. If it were up to him, he said, the film would be called “From Darwin to Hitler.” 
(HT to Panda's Thumb and the linked blogs within.) |
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filthy
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 13:13:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Scientists Feel Miscast in Film on Life's Origin:Mr. Stein, a prolific author who has acted in movies like “Ferris Bueller's Day Off” and appeared on television programs including “Win Ben Stein's Money” on Comedy Central, said in a telephone interview that he accepted the producers' invitation to participate in the film not because he disavows the theory of evolution — he said there was a “very high likelihood” that Darwin was on to something — but because he does not accept that evolution alone can explain life on earth.
He said he also believed the theory of evolution leads to racism and ultimately genocide, an idea common among creationist thinkers. If it were up to him, he said, the film would be called “From Darwin to Hitler.”
(HT to Panda's Thumb and the linked blogs within.)
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One might also say: from Darwin to Einstein; Darwin to Gandi; Darwin to Salk. And of course: Darwin to Bush, whaddafork?
Idjits.
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moakley
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 19:37:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
(HT to Panda's Thumb and the linked blogs within.)
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I found this reply interesting because it was the first thing that I though of when I read the line.
They lose their jobs, don't get grants, and so forth.
How surprising. People who suck at doing science losing their scientific jobs and not getting grants.
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Same thing happens here as well. By the time I catch up with threads someone has usually made the points that I would have. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/01/2007 : 10:19:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
By the time I catch up with threads someone has usually made the points that I would have. |
Obviously, you need to check in more frequently. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/23/2007 : 16:31:32 [Permalink]
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Okay, Ben Stein and Bill O'Reilly have made it clear that ID is all about religion. Everyone is wondering how much blood pressures have been raised at the Discovery Institute.
Read the transcript at Jason Rosenhouse's blog, or see the video at PZ Myers' place.
All science so far!
Edited 'cause I dropped an R. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/23/2007 : 18:32:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Okay, Ben Stein and Bill O'Reilly have made it clear that ID is all about religion. Everyone is wondering how much blood pressures have been raised at the Discovery Institute.
Read the transcipt at Jason Rosenhouse's blog, or see the video at PZ Myers' place.
All science so far!
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Such idiocy, and even internal contradictions within the lies!: STEIN: Well, the issue is that Darwinism, which was a brilliant theory and a great, great relic of the age of imperialism in the 19th century, basically said that mankind evolved from apes and monkeys and from cells and so forth. And that's a brilliant proposition; Darwin was a brilliant guy. But it didn't say how life began. It didn't say how the cell got to have hundreds of thousands of moving parts each of which has to work perfectly. It said maybe life was created by lightning striking a mud puddle. That has never struck me as convincing. And I thought there are a lot of gaps in Darwinism. Intelligent Design is an effort to try to fill in some of those gaps. It might be totally wrong, but at least it's an effort to try to fill in some very obvious gaps.
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Stein's saying Darwin had nothing to say about abiogenesis, and that what Darwin said about it was nonsense.
Ben Stein must be smarter than that himself, but it's telling that he's apparently crafting his lies for people whose attention span is so short that he deems a single sentence between totally contradictory statements will suffice. This pious liar has such a low opinion of the intelligence of his target audience.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Starman
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 Posted - 10/24/2007 : 05:00:01 [Permalink]
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Evolution News Intelligent Design is Not Creationism (No Matter What Bill O'Reilly Thinks) Unfortunately, Bill O'Reilly simply conflates intelligent design with creationism, mistakenly defining it as an attempt to find a divine designer. Not so.
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However, intelligent design also provides a robust, However, intelligent design also provides a robust, positive case and a serious scientific research approach. This is the news that O'Reilly's viewers need to hear about. |
I would also like to hear about this "positive case" and about this "serious scientific research approach". Why did you let us down Ben & Bill? |
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astropin
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Posted - 10/24/2007 : 11:10:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Perhaps this should be another one of those internet rules. The first person who attempts to support their position with imaginary endorsement by Einstein is an idiot. I'm certain Einstein would agree with that.
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P.S. I sent an email to the people at the "Expelled" web site lambasting them for this idiotic film......dumb asses. When did Ben fall completely off his rocker? Getting old and fearing death is he? |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/24/2007 : 12:23:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Evolution News Intelligent Design is Not Creationism (No Matter What Bill O'Reilly Thinks) Unfortunately, Bill O'Reilly simply conflates intelligent design with creationism, mistakenly defining it as an attempt to find a divine designer. Not so.
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However, intelligent design also provides a robust, However, intelligent design also provides a robust, positive case and a serious scientific research approach. This is the news that O'Reilly's viewers need to hear about. |
I would also like to hear about this "positive case" and about this "serious scientific research approach". Why did you let us down Ben & Bill?
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Yeah! ID "provides" like a deadbeat dad provides for his family.
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Dave W.
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astropin
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Posted - 11/02/2007 : 10:40:31 [Permalink]
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I responded but I'm sure it will never see the light of day.
Story Title: As it should be.
Short Description: ID is not science....period.
There is no "evidence" for ID.....not in the scientific sense anyway. Science teachers promoting ID should be reprimanded and possibly let go if they refuse to change their ways. ID makes no predictions; ID is not falsifiable....therefore it is not science and cannot be taught in a science class. Evolution is a theory in the EXACT same sense that GRAVITY is a theory! People need to understand the tremendous difference between "theory" in the scientific sense and "theory" as it is used in general....they are not the same thing. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe but if it's not science keep it out of the science classroom....how hard is that? Did the whole world miss the Dover trial? I am not a scientist...just a 40 year old loving husband and father of two. I believe everyone has the right to believe whatever they want; but only subjects that qualify should be taught in science classrooms and ID does not qualify. |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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