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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
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Posted - 09/21/2007 :  05:51:51  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Arizona lawman Gary Engels has been investigating a polygamist community for three years. It's not the polygamy he's trying to stop, it's the cult's practice of forcing underaged girls to marry older men.
Single-minded lawman pursues polygamists

(CNN) -- Pinning down a prophet is lonely work. Just ask Mohave County, Arizona, investigator Gary Engels.


Gary Engels.

The plain-spoken Engels' sole focus since October 2004 has been to pursue Warren Jeffs and his polygamist sect in Colorado City, Arizona, a town on the state line across from Hildale, Utah.

He hasn't gotten a lot of help from the locals, including the police, whose loyalties have been called into question.
. . .
Townsfolk turn their backs on Engels when he tries to talk to them, and most of those who do talk are evasive, says the former police officer.

"There is nobody that works in this city, that works for this city, that is not a loyal FLDS member, and that's from the mayor all the way through the employees right down to the last marshal here, and the last police officer that works here is loyal to Warren Jeffs," Engels told CNN.

"It's my experience ... that these police officers are not real police officers. They're enforcers for the FLDS church. They're enforcers for Warren," he said in another interview.

"I know that if it comes down to it, I can't count on them at all for backup," he said. "In fact, I believe that if guns started being pointed, that their guns would probably be pointed at me."

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 09/21/2007 :  06:32:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Warren Jeffs is no more than a pimp servicing pedophiles and now that they have him in custody and when he is found guilty, they should give him to Supermax, over in Colorado. They'll appreciate him in there, and good enough for him.




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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
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Posted - 09/21/2007 :  06:56:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Considering Jeffs' the head of a gang numbering about 10,000, Supermax is probably the only place that can keep him from being busted out.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 09/25/2007 :  14:56:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send perrodetokio a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Real horrorshow!

Isn't there a law in the US that prohibits 14 year old girls from marrying?

I mean, the main thing thatīs so wrong about having sex with underage boys or girls is that not being mature enough, they canīt make that sort of desition since ... well, theyīre not mature enough. A 30 year old person having sex with a 10 year old itīs not the the same as a 60 year old having sex with a 24 year old even though the age difference is greater in the latter.

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pleco
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USA
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Posted - 09/25/2007 :  15:02:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well they got 'em.

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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 09/25/2007 :  19:43:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by perrodetokio

Real horrorshow!

Isn't there a law in the US that prohibits 14 year old girls from marrying?

I mean, the main thing thatīs so wrong about having sex with underage boys or girls is that not being mature enough, they canīt make that sort of desition since ... well, theyīre not mature enough. A 30 year old person having sex with a 10 year old itīs not the the same as a 60 year old having sex with a 24 year old even though the age difference is greater in the latter.


Sadly, no. There are no federal age qualifications on marriage. The states are left to put them in place. 14 is a legal age in Utah and Tennesee with parental consent.

FUBAR, ain't it.

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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 09/25/2007 :  20:16:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And some state (I forget which) recently accidentally passed a law that says that anyone under the age of 18 and not pregnant can get married with parental consent. The "not" was a typographical error. The state legislature plans to correct the language with a future law, but they feel it's low priority.

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