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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/24/2007 : 21:19:56
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Russians seem to like the idea of global warming.
| We are not panicking. Global warming is not as catastrophic for us as it might be for some other countries. |
| If anything, we'll be even better off: as the climate warms, more of Russia's territory will be freed up for agriculture and industry. |
| I know global warming is a problem, but I would welcome a bit of warmth up here. Then I could grow my own tomatoes. |
Another interesting point is the chart showing the knowledge of global warming by country.
| The government says it is trying to educate people. |
Chock full of reveling quotes.
| Moscow's hope is that Western polluters will be queuing up to buy its carbon emission quotas. The money will then go into improving infrastructure and energy efficiency. |
Ahh, so the Kyoto treaty with take wealth from western nations and transfer it to Russia.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 21:28:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Is there a point to this?
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Did you notice the photo?
Three points.
1. Russians welcome global warming.
2. Governments are trying to educate about Global warming.
3. Global warming treaties are designed to redistribute wealth worldwide.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 21:35:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Three points.
1. Russians welcome global warming. |
So what? Those in New Orleans don't.| 2. Governments are trying to educate about Global warming. |
Good for them.| 3. Global warming treaties are designed to redistribute wealth worldwide. |
Provide evidence that this is the intent ("designed to") and not just a consequence of gaming the system? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 21:43:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Those in New Orleans don't. |
Provide evidence that MMGW caused the destruction in New Orleans.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 21:48:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Provide evidence that MMGW caused the destruction in New Orleans. |
I never claimed it did. I said that those in New Orleans don't welcome global warming. The best science we've got shows it will suck for them in a couple hundred years.
Now, quid pro quo, provide evidence that global warming treaties are designed to redistribute wealth. |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 00:23:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Three points.
1. Russians welcome global warming. |
That's because it's freaking cold in Russia. Not really sure what you're getting at with this.
| 2. Governments are trying to educate about Global warming. |
Sure. And... what is your point?
| 3. Global warming treaties are designed to redistribute wealth worldwide. |
Well that's not their primary purpose so your statement is misleading. It's equivalent to saying, "Automobiles are designed to cause traffic accidents." |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 00:49:04 [Permalink]
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Now, warming's real, but it's just a plot to redistribute wealth, eh? Is that your fall-back position, Jerome?
Look, some areas will have better overall conditions. Many will not. Areas of Russia and Canada may improve, but other areas will have to be evacuated. Russia will get ice-free access to new polar oil fields, and North-East Passage access to ports all along its northern shore. Bangladesh is likely to be doomed as a nation, if not by rising sea levels alone, then by increasing hurricanes.
I seem to recall Mab saying that Sweden expects a local cooling condition. Most of the world's population and much of its agriculture is concentrated in low-lying, coastal areas. Being underwater isn't something man nor beast can rapidly adjust to.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 01:02:30 [Permalink]
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| Don't forget Russia is a major oil exporter and has vested interest in increasing use of fossil fuels. Putin is an old-style communist at heart and there is long history of government interfernce in science their. Lysenkoism anyone? |
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King
History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms
"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler
"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 01:52:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Now, warming's real, but it's just a plot to redistribute wealth, eh? Is that your fall-back position, Jerome?
Look, some areas will have better overall conditions. Many will not. Areas of Russia and Canada may improve, but other areas will have to be evacuated. Russia will get ice-free access to new polar oil fields, and North-East Passage access to ports all along its northern shore. Bangladesh is likely to be doomed as a nation, if not by rising sea levels alone, then by increasing hurricanes.
I seem to recall Mab saying that Sweden expects a local cooling condition. Most of the world's population and much of its agriculture is concentrated in low-lying, coastal areas. Being underwater isn't something man nor beast can rapidly adjust to.
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The Inuit in Northern Canada are definitely not happy about global warming. Listen to MP3
Ironically global warming will make things awkward for the Canadian Oil and Gas industry since many locations are winter access only due to being in muskeg.
A lot of northern communities rely on ice roads for truck freight - this is already becoming a problem during mild winters.
As for Sweden, melting could significantly weaken the Gulf Stream which would result in significant loacal cooling in most of northern Europe. Stolkholm is just south of the 60th parallel which puts it just south of the northern border of between The province of Alberta and the Northwest Territories. It is the Gulf stream which gives Norhtern Europe it's temperate climate. |
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King
History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms
"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler
"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" - Thomas Jefferson |
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 06:38:14 [Permalink]
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So, global warming is REAL for Russia, but is not for other countries ("If anything, we'll be even better off: as the climate warms, more of Russia's territory will be freed up for agriculture and industry.")?
You canīt accept global warming when is convenient for your arguments and deny it when it isnīt! |
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perrodetokio
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 06:39:16 [Permalink]
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| Ah! the religion of global warming denial! I bet youīre a liberal! hehe |
"Yes I have a belief in a creator/God but do not know that he exists." Bill Scott
"They are still mosquitoes! They did not turn into whales or lizards or anything else. They are still mosquitoes!..." Bill Scott
"We should have millions of missing links or transition fossils showing a fish turning into a philosopher..." Bill Scott |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 06:48:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by perrodetokio
You canīt accept global warming when is convenient for your arguments and deny it when it isnīt!
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Well, you can if you aren't hampered by such limiting factors as honesty and moral integrity.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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furshur
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 08:13:39 [Permalink]
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Not to draw the ire of the moderators, but again when I see Jerome make a post like this I have to wonder is he stupid, insane, a troll or some combination?
The distortions, illogical thought progression and jumping back in forth between positions is almost maniacal.
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Global Warming Leaves Russians Cold
