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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  09:04:54  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No child left alive? Bush has done it again, vetoing legislation that would have provided $7 billion a year for child health coverage out of tobacco taxes, and would have been administered by the states.

This latest veto comes from a president who spends $720 million a day, largely by adding to the national debt, for a war that's killing these (and other) kids when they get older.

I have few words. I'm stunned, even though I knew he'd do this. The heartless bastard.


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pleco
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  09:05:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hopefully this veto will be overridden.

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marfknox
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  09:12:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
His argument: middle class families don't need this kind of help. Riiiight. My husband and I together earn more than the average household income and are considered stable middle class. But because of student loan debt, credit card debt (that we mostly accumulated while my husband was unemployed for 9 months) and regular living costs, we have almost no expendible income. If we were to add the cost of just caring for a child we'd go deeper into debt, and that's before the additional cost of health insurance and the copays when the kid or we actually get sick.

Middle class people become poor people when they can't afford health insurance.

Incidentally, another thread I posted today (Incredibly Shrinking Paycheck) is distantly related to this in that it also talks about the shrinking middle class.

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Edited by - marfknox on 10/03/2007 09:13:07
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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  09:41:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Orwellingly Yurz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
YO: I think most of you who read my posts here have been able to observe from my 'subtle' remarks that I think George Wanker Bush is an asshole of the first order. This veto only continues to confirm that we have a man in White House who is in deep denial about what goes on about him in the real world. Hell, I'm so frustrated, I can say without equivocation, I'd vote for Fred Thompson over Georg von Busch.

Fortunately, we have a good field of Dems already on the stump. They're of various stripes, but all pretty darned qualified, I think. Our problem is keeping this nation together until a year from this January. Then we must, in all haste, start repairing the damage (which will take decades, I fear) and bringing ourselves back together again to somewhere near, as one president coined it,
"normalcy."

I've been lamenting the right wing hate spewers for decades. Before long, it may be some of the left wing hate spewers to eschew and signify. I hope that doesn't happen.

Sam Waterston, the fine actor, was on Jon Stewart's show the other night ranting to get people involved in a movement to advance moderation in our beloved country. Ah, moderation, what a concept.

George Wanker Bush, in his myopia, has thrown us into a terrible imbalance and misalignment.

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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  10:08:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Moderation has come to mean right wing extremists like Bill Clinton. People who are so far off the scale of sanity like George Bush are now seen as reasonable by a large percentage of Americans.

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It's even worse than it appears
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  10:22:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Raise tobacco taxes? This shows how right-wing the "left" has become. Tax those who benefit from the system.

Slash funding to the Pentagon. There are ways to do this that are less regressive.

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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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furshur
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  10:26:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hell, I'm so frustrated, I can say without equivocation, I'd vote for Fred Thompson over Georg von Busch.

A rutabaga could do a better than bush.


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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  11:38:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Conservative Ideology: No health care is better than government provided health care.

Slippery Slope: Bush is worried that if this program is expanded it will snow ball into full blown government provided universal health care.

And we all know the government can't do anything right and markets fix everything, which is why the US is the only modern nation that deprives a huge portion of it's working poor of preventative health care. The richest nation is the stingiest to it's people. Go figure.

A Question For Bush: What would Jesus do? (Go start a war instead of protecting the health of the poor?)

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filthy
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Posted - 10/03/2007 :  12:15:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is, I think, one sliver of silver lining to this disgusting cloud of disgrace: As this bill enjoyed vast popular support, Bush has effectivly screwed 'most all Republican candidates in an upcoming, election year. They are going to have one more speed bump in the road to election for any and all national offices, and it won't be helping the state & local local candidates, either.

I would love to see this atrocity overturned just to slap that smarmy pigfucker across the chops prior to his leaving office with the legacy of being the sorriest excuse for a president ever.




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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/04/2007 :  04:40:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

There is, I think, one sliver of silver lining to this disgusting cloud of disgrace: As this bill enjoyed vast popular support, Bush has effectivly screwed 'most all Republican candidates in an upcoming, election year. They are going to have one more speed bump in the road to election for any and all national offices, and it won't be helping the state & local local candidates, either.

I would love to see this atrocity overturned just to slap that smarmy pigfucker across the chops prior to his leaving office with the legacy of being the sorriest excuse for a president ever.




The other side of that coin is if Congress overturns his veto, then all these Republican legislators get to distance themselves from GW and show they are not a lock-step rubber stamp for President Dumb Dumb. Wouldn't that be a very clever strategy? Are they that clever?

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pleco
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Posted - 10/04/2007 :  05:34:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Are they that clever?


I'm thinking no. And last I heard 15 Republicans need to convert in the House to get enough votes to overturn the veto.

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marfknox
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Posted - 10/04/2007 :  05:53:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gorgo wrote:
Raise tobacco taxes? This shows how right-wing the "left" has become. Tax those who benefit from the system.

Slash funding to the Pentagon. There are ways to do this that are less regressive.
So true! It is not only a regressive tax that disproportionately gathers money from the poor, but itis also not reliable; the cost of health care is going up, but the percentage of smokers and the amount that people smoke has been steadily going down. Obviously this way of paying for it is not a longterm solution!

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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/04/2007 :  06:17:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

Gorgo wrote:
Raise tobacco taxes? This shows how right-wing the "left" has become. Tax those who benefit from the system.

Slash funding to the Pentagon. There are ways to do this that are less regressive.
So true! It is not only a regressive tax that disproportionately gathers money from the poor, but itis also not reliable; the cost of health care is going up, but the percentage of smokers and the amount that people smoke has been steadily going down. Obviously this way of paying for it is not a longterm solution!
Just a side note - it was the Senate Republicans that insisted on paying for this via an increased Cig tax.

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pleco
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Posted - 10/04/2007 :  06:40:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

Gorgo wrote:
Raise tobacco taxes? This shows how right-wing the "left" has become. Tax those who benefit from the system.

Slash funding to the Pentagon. There are ways to do this that are less regressive.
So true! It is not only a regressive tax that disproportionately gathers money from the poor, but itis also not reliable; the cost of health care is going up, but the percentage of smokers and the amount that people smoke has been steadily going down. Obviously this way of paying for it is not a longterm solution!


However, one could argue it is the only tax that they could put on the books that would be palatable to all sides...certainly cutting the War Department's budget would kill this in an instant.


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