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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/22/2007 : 10:52:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by Gorgo
Suggesting that the military approves of targeting civilians is an example of that. |
Tell me where I said that, Kil.
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Gorgo:
Let's put aside those stories in the Nation about people we know who do intentionally kill civilians, or take actions that they know will increase the risk to civilians. Let's not talk about the guy that intentionally bombs a building to satisfy some racist longing to kill Arabs. We know that happens, and we know the U.S. military allows it, but let's put that aside. |
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You're telling me that "allow" means "approve?" Did you approve of everything you allowed your children to do? I backed up what I said, Kil. I showed you where they allowed such things. Show me where I said they approve. They do not, at least offically, approve.
You say you can show me where things are made up out of whole cloth, please do so. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 10:59:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
At Peace Action we believe...
that war is not a suitable response to conflict. |
Do you believe that, Kil? Yet you support this war, and think that the Iraq war was a "mistake," do I have it right? That talking about international law and trying to change things is "hyperbole?"
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As I said, I support the work of Peace Action. But the world is a complicated place and I do not think any one solution applies to each and every situation. For example I have challenged the view of many skeptics with regard to False Memory Syndrome, even though I am firmly in the skeptics camp on most issues.
What can I say? I'm a complicated guy in my own way…
And yes, I think you resort to hyperbole. And I don't think that approach is productive with regard to the consideration of complicated issues.
You can talk about international law all you want to without resorting to hyperbolic language.
If I may, an example of that is how I replied to boron10 when he asserted that we were invited into Afghanistan by the government there…
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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dv82matt
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:00:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
What I see is you making excuses for murderers.
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There you go again. I don't agree with you on how sincere the offer was, and I get this...
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Bush said "no negotiations." Offers were made, but turned down without a word. Millions of lives were risked, for a goal that has not been achieved, and for a world that is less safe. We don't know how many lives were wasted. Afghanistan's fragile economy further destroyed. Years of game playing by the U.S. part of the cause of their plight to begin with.
This never had anything to do with making the world a better place for anyone but a few.
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What I see is you Gorgo making excuses for murderers.
Yeah this is a rhetorical point but a valid one. You're gonna continue coming off as a loony if you can't rein in your hyperbole.
If you think Kil who is fairly left wing and generally critical of the Bush administration is "making excuses for murderers" then that should tell you something about how radical your position is. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:07:42 [Permalink]
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Gorgo:
You're telling me that "allow" means "approve? |
I'm saying that you often use hyperbolic language.
And once again, that was not supposed to be taken as a personal attack. It meant as constructive criticism.
I was trying to get you to see how others see you because of the way you present.
You can lead a horse to water…
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:15:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Gorgo:
You're telling me that "allow" means "approve? |
I'm saying that you often use hyperbolic language.
And once again, that was not supposed to be taken as a personal attack. It meant as constructive criticism.
I was trying to get you to see how others see you because of the way you present.
You can lead a horse to water…
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So far, you are talking about things that you can't back up, from what I can see. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:26:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Kil
Gorgo:
You're telling me that "allow" means "approve? |
I'm saying that you often use hyperbolic language.
And once again, that was not supposed to be taken as a personal attack. It meant as constructive criticism.
I was trying to get you to see how others see you because of the way you present.
You can lead a horse to water…
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So far, you are talking about things that you can't back up, from what I can see.
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You mean like how other people see you? Okay, I'll drop it. I was only tying to be helpful... |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:29:07 [Permalink]
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If you think Kil who is fairly left wing and generally critical of the Bush administration is "making excuses for murderers" then that should tell you something about how radical your position is. |
And you were going to add something to the thread by telling me something specific that I got wrong with information to back it up? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:32:17 [Permalink]
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You mean like how other people see you? Okay, I'll drop it. I was only tying to be helpful...
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Well, then be helpful by saying something meaningful. Give me something here. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:38:36 [Permalink]
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If I may, an example of that is how I replied to boron10 when he asserted that we were invited into Afghanistan by the government there…
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That's cool. You'd like to blame it all on an "idiot president." He was right in his glorious war for the Fatherland, but he just screwed it up. Kind of like Iraq was a "mistake." To think otherwise is to "interpret" the law incorrectly. "We" make mistakes, don't "we.?
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 11:44:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
If I may, an example of that is how I replied to boron10 when he asserted that we were invited into Afghanistan by the government there…
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That's cool. You'd like to blame it all on an "idiot president." He was right in his glorious war for the Fatherland, but he just screwed it up. Kind of like Iraq was a "mistake." To think otherwise is to "interpret" the law incorrectly. "We" make mistakes, don't "we.?
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I'm out. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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dv82matt
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 13:41:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
And you were going to add something to the thread by telling me something specific that I got wrong with information to back it up?
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My apologies your lordship.
So why do you excuse murderers Gorgo? Why do you hate America so much?
You may not like the Neocons but you sure do like their style of discourse. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 16:23:04 [Permalink]
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| That's great, Kil. I appreciate your help. You've shown me that the people who have a problem with me really do distort what I write. It's great, really, the way you exaggerated what I said in order to show people that I really don't engage in hyperbole. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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dv82matt
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 16:46:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
That's great, Kil. I appreciate your help. You've shown me that the people who have a problem with me really do distort what I write. It's great, really, the way you exaggerated what I said in order to show people that I really don't engage in hyperbole.
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When did Kil do that? I think you're imagining things. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 18:49:57 [Permalink]
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When did it dawn on you? |
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