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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/06/2009 :  22:18:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, since HalfMooner is giving me competition in the "what's this weird geological feature?" line of trivia questions, it seems I've gotta start again.

Here is an odd little place. The questions are: what is its ZIP code, and why?

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Machi4velli
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Posted - 04/06/2009 :  23:06:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is it the place with the uncontrollable mine fire? I think the government paid for the people to move away because it was unsafe. I don't imagine towns with no people have zip codes?

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 04/06/2009 :  23:08:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.
Here is an odd little place. The questions are: what is its ZIP code, and why?
Is that Love Canal? Bit before my time, but I think it's in upstate NY somewhere. No idea on a zip code, so that means I'm probably wrong.


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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/06/2009 :  23:17:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Machi4velli

Is it the place with the uncontrollable mine fire? I think the government paid for the people to move away because it was unsafe. I don't imagine towns with no people have zip codes?
Close enough. It is Centralia, PA, which has had burning coal underneath it for decades. The Post Office revoked its ZIP code after the State used eminent domain to evict the residents who couldn't be bought out with Federal emergency money.

I just read about the town this past week in Bill Bryson's A Walk in the Woods, a nice book about hiking the Appalachian Trail.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/06/2009 :  23:52:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good one, Dave! I was still scratching my head.


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Machi4velli
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Posted - 04/06/2009 :  23:59:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's amazing how long they can burn, the coal just does not need much oxygen at all. There are, or have been, quite a few of them in PA, WV, and OH.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  01:05:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally placed under foreign administration by an accident caused by an American land company, the small rural village below was later formally given through treaty by the United States to a foreign nation.

It is the last portion of the United States proper to be simply given away to a foreign land.

1. What is its name?

2.What country now owns it?



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Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/07/2009 01:09:53
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Simon
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  08:12:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have no clue... even after a bit of Google-cheat... But that seems like a fascinating story...


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chaloobi
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  08:22:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by Machi4velli

Is it the place with the uncontrollable mine fire? I think the government paid for the people to move away because it was unsafe. I don't imagine towns with no people have zip codes?
Close enough. It is Centralia, PA, which has had burning coal underneath it for decades. The Post Office revoked its ZIP code after the State used eminent domain to evict the residents who couldn't be bought out with Federal emergency money.

I just read about the town this past week in Bill Bryson's A Walk in the Woods, a nice book about hiking the Appalachian Trail.
How the hell does it burn without oxygen? There has to be some oxidizer source for the fire to continue.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  08:43:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chaloobi

How the hell does it burn without oxygen? There has to be some oxidizer source for the fire to continue.
According to Wikipedia:
The pocket of ignited coal is fed oxygen by vent paths that have not yet been discovered. These smolder year in, year out. Exhaust vents in populated areas are soon sensed and are sealed. Vents in uninhabited areas remain undiscovered. Occasionally, vents are discovered via fumes sensed by passers-by, often in forested areas.
But it's unreferenced.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  09:30:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by chaloobi

How the hell does it burn without oxygen? There has to be some oxidizer source for the fire to continue.
According to Wikipedia:
The pocket of ignited coal is fed oxygen by vent paths that have not yet been discovered. These smolder year in, year out. Exhaust vents in populated areas are soon sensed and are sealed. Vents in uninhabited areas remain undiscovered. Occasionally, vents are discovered via fumes sensed by passers-by, often in forested areas.
But it's unreferenced.
It seems to me that vent detection and sealing ought to be a major priority for anyone who is concerned about global warming.


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Kil
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  09:41:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I tried and failed, Mooner. I must be in a slump...

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chaloobi
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  11:24:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by chaloobi

How the hell does it burn without oxygen? There has to be some oxidizer source for the fire to continue.
According to Wikipedia:
The pocket of ignited coal is fed oxygen by vent paths that have not yet been discovered. These smolder year in, year out. Exhaust vents in populated areas are soon sensed and are sealed. Vents in uninhabited areas remain undiscovered. Occasionally, vents are discovered via fumes sensed by passers-by, often in forested areas.
But it's unreferenced.
It seems to me that vent detection and sealing ought to be a major priority for anyone who is concerned about global warming.

I wonder how much CO2 it actually puts out and how much coal's under there. I'd guess that eventually enough of the underlying coal's going to burn away that the mine will collapse, sealing the vents, and putting the fire out. That or that damn thing's going to smolder for a millenia. That'd actually be pretty cool.


EDIT:
Ok, I read the article about the town itself and it sheds more light on my wonderings...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania

The mine was already abandoned when it caught fire. Apparently some careless garbage disposal mixed with coal burner ash set the town dump on fire which somehow migrated to the underlying abandoned mine. They didn't apparently regard it as a big problem until there a kid fell into a 4 foot wide, 150 foot deep hole that opened under him in a back yard. It doesn't say if he survived. Oh, and a local gas station found it's underground storage tank was heated to 172 F. What's the flash point of gasoline, anyway? Yikes.

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Edited by - chaloobi on 04/07/2009 11:35:27
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  20:41:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

Well, I tried and failed, Mooner. I must be in a slump...
It turns out I'm a very poor predictor of the difficulty of these things. I'd thought this one would be too easy.

Hint #1: The treaty giving the above bit of America to a foreign government was signed in 1970, and the hand-over itself took place in 1977.


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Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/07/2009 20:44:23
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/07/2009 :  22:55:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally placed under foreign administration by an accident caused by an American land company, the small rural village below was later formally given through treaty by the United States to a foreign nation.

It is the last portion of the United States proper to be simply given away to a foreign land.

1. What is its name?

2.What country now owns it?
After scouring four-and-a-half states' borders with foreign countries, I decided to go a-Googling. Google, of course, wound up sending me to Wikipedia, and at the bottom of that list was a link to this entry.

However, the treaty was not a give-away, it was more like a trade to settle border disputes which resulted in the U.S. becoming more than 600 acres larger (net).

It appears, after reading more, that just about all of the border treaties and land lost from the U.S. follows a similar pattern, where the U.S. gives up some land in return for a lot of other land or other compensation. I have a hard time calling any of it "give-aways," unless we go all the way back to the War of 1812, during which Tristan da Cunha was used as a military base by the U.S., and after the war it was simply abandoned (and then annexed by the British in 1816).

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