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ZaphodBeeblebrox
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 10/20/2001 : 03:15:42 [Permalink]
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In a Dark Side of the Moon style, Correction:
Actually Jews don't believe in Hell at all.
Everyone qualifies for the Afterlife. Oh, and BTW, Confessions don't count. You, and the Big Guy, will have to work it out personally.
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gdaye
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 10/20/2001 : 18:39:14 [Permalink]
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A really good anti-war movie is "Oh What a Lovely War" - WW1 as seen through satirical sketches and the songs the soldiers sang in the trenches.
For pure escapism, try "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" if you can find it.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/20/2001 : 20:08:03 [Permalink]
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Actually Jews don't believe in Hell at all.
They DON'T?!!!
I remember my mother always saying, when I did something wrong, 'got im himmel', sorry about the spelling. If there is heaven, doesn't there have to be a hell? When DID the concept of Hell start?
I never read the bible but I thought the Jews started everything. (it's their fault the world is fighting today, isn't it?)
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2001 : 20:11:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
A really good anti-war movie is "Oh What a Lovely War" - WW1 as seen through satirical sketches and the songs the soldiers sang in the trenches.
For pure escapism, try "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" if you can find it.
Nolle Illegitimus Carborundum
''King of Hearts'' Another (very funny with a serious message), antiwar movie.
"Attack of the Killer Tomatoes", find it! I have a copy of it.
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2001 : 04:28:07 [Permalink]
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When DID the concept of Hell start?
When, is a Good Question. Where, is a lot easier to Answer. Sometime, in the 1st Century, or 2, of the Common Era, the Idea of a Place of Suffering, for the Damned, SNUCK into the Young Christian Religion, probably through Mithraism, from Zoroastrianism. However, it was only a partial Inclusion, as the Idea, that Evil is a Live Force, all it's own, and not just an Absence of Good, never quite took.
Nonetheless, whenever you speak of Satan and Hell, what you really SHOULD, be talking about, is Ahriman and the House of the Lie.
If you Ignore Your Rights, they WILL, go away.
Edited by - ZaphodBeeblebrox on 10/21/2001 04:35:12
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2001 : 07:49:27 [Permalink]
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My all-time favorite movie was *A Clockwork Orange*. I laughed so hard each time I saw it that I almost needed stitches.
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WindupAtheist
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Posted - 10/30/2001 : 00:42:15 [Permalink]
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Did Ghost in the Shell have much to say that Bladerunner didn't say almost fifteen years earlier?
Don't get me wrong, I like Ghost in the Shell a lot. Watching always it restores my faith in the genre, after yet another Cartoon Network DBZ marathon demolishes it.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/30/2001 : 06:42:58 [Permalink]
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My all-time favorite movie was *A Clockwork Orange*. I laughed so hard each time I saw it that I almost needed stitches.
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*Nothing is more damaging to a new truth than an old error.* Goethe
I could never see Gene Kelly's "Singin in the Rain" again without thinking of the scene where the old man gets beaten.
"I'm singin in the Rain (pow! Ommph!)
Just singin in the rain (kick kick)"
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/30/2001 : 07:42:58 [Permalink]
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Did Ghost in the Shell have much to say that Bladerunner didn't say almost fifteen years earlier?
Don't get me wrong, I like Ghost in the Shell a lot. Watching always it restores my faith in the genre, after yet another Cartoon Network DBZ marathon demolishes it.
But CN must be commended for airing, almost completely uncut and unedited, probably one of the best anime series of all time, Cowboy Bebop! I only have the first 15 sessions or so on DVD, so I stopped watching them on Cartoon Network passed that point. Comes on Adult Swim on Thursday and Sunday night. (They did skip Session 6, as it had to do with terrorism, and the schedule placed it very soon after 9/11).
It's unfortunate that USians equate cartoons with children. Some of the most mature and thought-provoking (and entertaining) plotlines can be found in Japanese Anime.
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Garrette
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/30/2001 : 07:50:10 [Permalink]
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It's unfortunate that USians equate cartoons with children. Some of the most mature and thought-provoking (and entertaining) plotlines can be found in Japanese Anime.
I don't read Anime, but I agree with the sentiment. I'm a Spiderman fan myself because it's fun, but for serious thought-provoking stuff go back to the X-Men of the late 80's and early 90's.
In my advanced lit classes I'd get into discussions about the merits of genres outside the mainstream. Too many 'literati' dismiss scifi and fantasy as puff while I have contended that some of the best writers adn thinkers work in those genres.
But to other stuff: "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" is the greatest movie ever made.
For something a little more serious and awfully strange, try "The Ninth Configuration" starring Stacy Keach.
For outright belly laughs go with "The Gods Must Be Crazy."
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/30/2001 : 08:05:03 [Permalink]
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It's unfortunate that USians equate cartoons with children. Some of the most mature and thought-provoking (and entertaining) plotlines can be found in Japanese Anime.
I don't read Anime, but I agree with the sentiment. I'm a Spiderman fan myself because it's fun, but for serious thought-provoking stuff go back to the X-Men of the late 80's and early 90's.
Shame on me! I most certainly shouldn't have said (and therefore implied) that mature and thought-provoking plotlines in cartoons and comics can be found only japanese anime, when there are examples of such in the U.S., as you point out!
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/30/2001 : 11:16:13 [Permalink]
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My all-time favorite movie was *A Clockwork Orange*. I laughed so hard each time I saw it that I almost needed stitches.
ljbrs
*Nothing is more damaging to a new truth than an old error.* Goethe
Gads, are we thinking about the same "Clockwork Orange"?
If I want a good laugh, I watch "Rocky Horror".
Lisa
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 10/30/2001 : 11:30:32 [Permalink]
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One of my all-time favorites was another Kubrick classic....Dr. Strangelove.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2001 : 00:01:35 [Permalink]
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I don't read Anime, but I agree with the sentiment. I'm a Spiderman fan myself because it's fun, but for serious thought-provoking stuff go back to the X-Men of the late 80's and early 90's.
But to other stuff: "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" is the greatest movie ever made.
For outright belly laughs go with "The Gods Must Be Crazy."
I don't know anything about Anime but I would never miss an episode of 'The Simpsons'. And do you watch 'The Transformers'? I like the old version but WOW, the new one with what looks like computer generated something or other, is fantistic.
"Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" the greatest movie ever made? ARE YOU NUTS? You are really weird! I mean, it's ok, funny and all that, BUT the best movie? OK, whatever!??? Am I missing something?
"The Gods Must Be Crazy." Well you got that right. The concept is very funny. Especially to an atheist but I wonder if a believer even 'gets it'.
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WindupAtheist
New Member
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Posted - 10/31/2001 : 00:34:20 [Permalink]
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Time for a big rambling speech on what I do and do not like in anime!
I like things like Ghost in the Shell and Big O, where people actually have conversations, and characters are actually developed. Macross Plus was another good one. The bit where the two protagonists argue over who bought lunch more often in high school, as they try to kill each other, was a nice touch.
I hate screechy kiddy-garbage like Ronin Warriors, Sailor Moon, and anything else where a handful of teenagers are given mystical powers in order to defend the world from the big evil demon/alien/whatever. Dragonball Z and Pokemon deserve their own special level in Anime Hell.
Then again, none of the above are too offensive if taken as entertainment for children. What drives me up the wall are all the "cool" teens-and-up anime geeks that think DBZ has some redeeming merit for a person over the age of twelve.
While I'm trashing what I don't like: Ranma 1/2 is fruity, and Gundam is boring. Nyah.
My favorite anime, though, has to be Fist of the North Star. It's the absolute peak of (unintentional) comedy. Kenshiro is the perfect parody of the typical action hero. He's completely invincible, utterly sadistic, and totally wooden. Whenever evil threatens, he mumbles a few inflectionless tough-guy lines, then cuts loose with horrific head-exploding violence. The expression on his face never ever changes. It's great. *sigh*
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