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Garrette
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 Posted - 10/31/2001 : 04:08:28 [Permalink]
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"Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" the greatest movie ever made? ARE YOU NUTS? You are really weird! I mean, it's ok, funny and all that, BUT the best movie? OK, whatever!??? Am I missing something?
The price I pay for not using emoticons...
I was exaggerating. I think it's quite fun in general, and downright hilarious in a few spots. I watch it about every two years; more than that and I'd explode.
Lately I almost never get to see The Simpsons, but without tongue in cheek, I think it may just be the best animation ever; certainly the best US television animated show. Brilliant and hilarious.
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Dragonball Z and Pokemon deserve their own special level in Anime Hell.
From a Dad's point of view, I'm actually a big Pokemon fan. It's a good exposure to the physical aspects of life without glorifying fighting for fighting's sake. It promotes sportsmanship, friendly competition, sacrifice, etc., without preaching any of it. And the hero frequently loses.
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"The Gods Must Be Crazy." Well you got that right. The concept is very funny. Especially to an atheist but I wonder if a believer even 'gets it'.
My mother is very very extremely very Catholic yet she agrees that this is a hilarious movie. Go figure.
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Trish
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Posted - 10/31/2001 : 04:11:56 [Permalink]
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Thought provoking:
Movie: Solient Green
Book: Sentience by Terry Adams
For funny, I really have to go with Lisa, Rocky Horror, only in the theater and only when there are actors on stage with the movie. On TV it's not the same.
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In my advanced lit classes I'd get into discussions about the merits of genres outside the mainstream. Too many 'literati' dismiss scifi and fantasy as puff while I have contended that some of the best writers adn thinkers work in those genres.
These genres really hit into the human condition much more than some mainstream literature. Like the book 'Sentience'. It's all about it's title, the Sentience of Species.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 10/31/2001 : 06:19:07 [Permalink]
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In my advanced lit classes I'd get into discussions about the merits of genres outside the mainstream. Too many 'literati' dismiss scifi and fantasy as puff while I have contended that some of the best writers adn thinkers work in those genres.
These genres really hit into the human condition much more than some mainstream literature. Like the book 'Sentience'. It's all about it's title, the Sentience of Species.
I'm reading the series of books from Orson Scott Card that begins with "Ender's Game" right now. Very good sci-fi stuff! Really concentrates on ethics of sentience and life, and what a species can and should do if threatened with possible extinction from another species.
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The twist is that the other species isn't malevolently threatening human extinction. It lives in harmony, and depends on, a virus for reproduction. But this virus wipes out humans and just about any other form of life it comes into contact with. So do humans have the right to destroy this planet with this virus in order to make sure it never spreads to other planets? Because the aliens are developing spaceships while they think about it!
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James
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Posted - 10/31/2001 : 19:47:53 [Permalink]
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I'm a Spiderman fan myself because it's fun, but for serious thought-provoking stuff go back to the X-Men of the late 80's and early 90's.
In case you're interested:
Spiderman movie coming out next year. X-Men 2 will be filmed right after the next Star Trek movie gets filmed. Patrick Stewart is needed in both and cannot be in two places at once.
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And do you watch 'The Transformers'? I like the old version but WOW, the new one with what looks like computer generated something or other, is fantistic.
Which one are you refering to, Snake? Beast Wars and Beast Machines or Transformers: Robot in Disguise?
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Especially to an atheist but I wonder if a believer even 'gets it'.
I doubt it.  
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Snake
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 00:06:35 [Permalink]
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The price I pay for not using emoticons...
I was exaggerating.
Ah Ha!, he says rubbing fingers on chin. I C.
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I think it's quite fun in general, and downright hilarious in a few spots. I watch it about every two years; more than that and I'd explode.
Ha Haaaa, he says, with a puned look on his face.
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Lately I almost never get to see The Simpsons, but without tongue in cheek, I think it may just be the best animation ever... Brilliant and hilarious.
Yes, besides being funny, politicaly incorrect, profound and clever the art work is outstanding. I wonder if anyone notices? While it looks like it's crudely drawn, the pan outs and up, the gestures, facial expressions, etc., all so beautiful executed.
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My mother is very very extremely very Catholic yet she agrees that this is a hilarious movie. Go figure.
I guess it's like The Simpsons, the religious see it as positive, or is some cases a bad influence, atheists see it as antireligious. Go figure!
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Snake
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 00:25:33 [Permalink]
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Which one are you refering to, Snake? Beast Wars and Beast Machines or Transformers: Robot in Disguise?
Hum! Now that you mention it, there is some recollection of a name....Beast Wars. The orginal was just a regular cartoon. The 'things', the robots change into cars and stuff. The new one is like watching a video game, they are shinney and as you refered to, they metamorfisize into animals.
But the names, Voltron, Megatron, etc., are the same.....aren't they? I thought it's a new version of the old Transformers. Or am I confusing it with a different show?
Whatever, I like what they do and fantizise about being able to do that to myself. It's cool. They are so powerful. Funny, I was just thinking of the movie with Arnold S...however you spell it, the guy with the accent, and how they did the same thing. I never like him or those movies, never saw one all the way through except once on an airplane I was forced to watch it but didn't pay attention. I guess now I should watch it, it's cool to melt into the floor and come back to life.
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Trish
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 03:50:23 [Permalink]
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But the names, Voltron, Megatron, etc., are the same.....aren't they? I thought it's a new version of the old Transformers. Or am I confusing it with a different show?
Voltron is an anime. The one with the 5 lions Green, Black, Red, Orange, and Blue (I think). I can't remember much else - it's been awhile. I think Zarcon is the antagonist.
Transformers, the original had Optimus Prime and he was a Semi. In later years they used the same concept but *modernized* the look/feel of the show. Then they went back to the original planet of the transformers. Then Beast Wars is the one with the animals, something about integrating animal DNA in the transformers themselves.
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The twist is that the other species isn't malevolently threatening human extinction. It lives in harmony, and depends on, a virus for reproduction. But this virus wipes out humans and just about any other form of life it comes into contact with. So do humans have the right to destroy this planet with this virus in order to make sure it never spreads to other planets? Because the aliens are developing spaceships while they think about it!
Sounds similar to the basic plot line in Sentience. Only the alien species are empaths and create a feed back loop of fear with the humans and war breaks out between the initial colony and the aliens. Also the same with McCaffery's series that starts with To Ride Pegasus. Only the alien species doesn't recognize humans as a species and they have a genetic malfunction that doesn't restrict the numbers of their off-spring, so they keep over populating.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 06:03:47 [Permalink]
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But the names, Voltron, Megatron, etc., are the same.....aren't they? I thought it's a new version of the old Transformers. Or am I confusing it with a different show?
Voltron is an anime. The one with the 5 lions Green, Black, Red, Orange, and Blue (I think). I can't remember much else - it's been awhile. I think Zarcon is the antagonist.
Transformers, the original had Optimus Prime and he was a Semi. In later years they used the same concept but *modernized* the look/feel of the show. Then they went back to the original planet of the transformers. Then Beast Wars is the one with the animals, something about integrating animal DNA in the transformers themselves.
Man, you guys are making me nostalgic!
Voltron was a Japanese import. There were two versions, the one in which Trish describes, and another in which Voltron was made up of 15 vehicles, that could combine into one giant robot.
It's funny, Transformers is another Japanese import (the toys and concept, at least), that was modified into what we saw on after-school TV in the 80's. The leader of the evil transformers was Megatron, who transformed into a hand gun (a Grey Walther P-38 "U.N.C.L.E. Special" to be exact)! He was killed in "Transformers: The Movie" and was remade into Galvatron, who transformed into a cannon. Guess that was much more politically correct than a hand gun. I wouldn't be surprised if that particular plotline was made up just so they could get rid of the hand gun...
They seem to have made a comeback, in which there is once again a Megatron and Optimus Prime. Optimus is a semi again, but I didn't get to see what Megatron is. I'm sure it's not a hand gun. 
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James
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 06:45:05 [Permalink]
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But the names, Voltron, Megatron, etc., are the same.....aren't they? I thought it's a new version of the old Transformers. Or am I confusing it with a different show?
Voltron is an anime. The one with the 5 lions Green, Black, Red, Orange, and Blue (I think). I can't remember much else - it's been awhile. I think Zarcon is the antagonist.
It's Black, Red, Green, Yellow, and Blue. Extra points for naming the pilots, including the original driver of Blue Lion.
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Transformers, the original had Optimus Prime and he was a Semi. In later years they used the same concept but *modernized* the look/feel of the show. Then they went back to the original planet of the transformers. Then Beast Wars is the one with the animals, something about integrating animal DNA in the transformers themselves.
Voltron was a Japanese import. There were two versions, the one in which Trish describes, and another in which Voltron was made up of 15 vehicles, that could combine into one giant robot.
15 vehicles! How in the heck did they fit all of them onto one body? Does that mean that a few were weapons, etc.?
Also, with Beast Wars, they scanned for life forms and basically scanned the nearest creature's DNA to create disguises. Although, in the first season, it was more for protection from a dangerous substance(energon "grew" wild on the planet and caused their systems great harm via radiation) than for disguise purposes.
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They seem to have made a comeback, in which there is once again a Megatron and Optimus Prime. Optimus is a semi again, but I didn't get to see what Megatron is. I'm sure it's not a hand gun.
Nope, Optimus isn't a semi this time around. He's a fire engine. In Transformers: RID(Robots in Disguise), they first started with the Autobots and Predacons, then introduced Decepticons later in the series as turned Autobots. Go to TransNET2K for more info and episodes.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 12:10:49 [Permalink]
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15 vehicles! How in the heck did they fit all of them onto one body? Does that mean that a few were weapons, etc.?
There were 5 land, 5 sea, and 5 air vehicles. Here's what a quick search turned up. Apparently the lion Voltron was Voltron III and the vehicle was Voltron I. Never heard of a third Voltron (Voltron II).
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They seem to have made a comeback, in which there is once again a Megatron and Optimus Prime. Optimus is a semi again, but I didn't get to see what Megatron is. I'm sure it's not a hand gun.
Nope, Optimus isn't a semi this time around. He's a fire engine. In Transformers: RID(Robots in Disguise), they first started with the Autobots and Predacons, then introduced Decepticons later in the series as turned Autobots. Go to TransNET2K for more info and episodes.
Ah, thanks! Just saw part of one episode. I think I was remembering Ultra Magnus. He's still a semi, right?
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Snake
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 23:51:25 [Permalink]
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Thought provoking:
Movie: Solient Green
Absolutely. Great movie. I also have a copy of that one too.
Slient Running, with sort of the same theme, no room on the planet, was just as if not more thought provoking.
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WindupAtheist
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Posted - 11/01/2001 : 23:57:00 [Permalink]
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Black Lion - Keith
Red Lion - Lance
Blue Lion - Alurra (after Sven)
Yellow Lion - Hunk
Green Lion - Pidge
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Snake
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 00:01:49 [Permalink]
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These genres really hit into the human condition much more than some mainstream literature.
Gee, finally someone agrees with me! I've been saying that for years. It's just a vehichle to get a point across.
While a teenager I saw 'The Time Machine', as the movie unfolded I realized it was political not just Sci-Fi and from then on it had a lot of influence in my life. I didn't find out until much later the H. G. Wells was a socialist.
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Snake
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 00:18:30 [Permalink]
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Transformers, the original had Optimus Prime and he was a Semi. In later years they used the same concept but *modernized* the look/feel of the show. Then they went back to the original planet of the transformers
Geeses Krist, I liked them but wasn't THAT big a fan. Yes now I remember Optimus Prime, too. It was just a plain cartoon when I saw it. And it was a long time ago. I have some of the toys though. Even the ones from McDonalds that copied them by the food changing into something else.
The more recent new show I was talking about I have seen only a few times, while turning the channel. Never paid attention to when it was on or what station. But the animation was messmerizing.
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Lisa
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 06:18:54 [Permalink]
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"Shrek" comes out on DVD today!!
No, there is nothing the least bit thought-provoking about this movie, unless you like seeing Disney slammed to the mat. I love it.
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