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BigPapaSmurf
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It doesnt agree with math because of the whole, God can manipulate physics thing.
Is Abnormal Psychology a science?
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dude
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 14:29:53 [Permalink]
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| Creationism in general is going to conflict with any science. Why? Because science seeks answers and explanations that do not involve the supernatural. The creationist dogma requires a supernatural explanation for the central tenets of their beliefs. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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verlch
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 22:35:30 [Permalink]
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Deny evolution, and you're denying the basis for the entire field.
Then I will deny it just as you deny my maker. You could give me death before I will believe in that rubbish. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 22:39:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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Math... it violates Math too, doesn't it?
Yes it does.
Creationists believe that several million species of animals were contained in an impossibly small volume (Noah's big boat)
Creationsists believe that 10 billion years = 7 days.
I suppose the same question can be applied to you, my radical friend. If you weren't there 10 billion years ago, how do you know what happened? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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furshur
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 05:40:52 [Permalink]
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verlich wrote:
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I suppose the same question can be applied to you, my radical friend. If you weren't there 10 billion years ago, how do you know what happened?
Radical? I say show me proof before I accept something as fact. You on the other hand have stated that you would rather kill yourself than change your beliefs regardless of the proof. If there was proof of your position I would gladly change my beliefs.
Who's the radical again???
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filthy
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 06:46:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by furshur
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Math... it violates Math too, doesn't it?
Yes it does.
Creationists believe that several million species of animals were contained in an impossibly small volume (Noah's big boat)
Creationsists believe that 10 billion years = 7 days.
I suppose the same question can be applied to you, my radical friend. If you weren't there 10 billion years ago, how do you know what happened?
Erm, I see. And you were there 6,000 years ago and saw it all. Thus you've no need to look critically at the superstitious screeving of peoples of Bibical times. Well done, I say. Well done!
Perhaps you can clear up a point of confusion for me: Why did some god or other even bother? Does it have an ego so fragil that it has to have praise 24/7? And what did it do before deciding to set up our happy, little hive?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 08:17:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by furshur
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Math... it violates Math too, doesn't it?
Yes it does.
Creationists believe that several million species of animals were contained in an impossibly small volume (Noah's big boat)
Creationsists believe that 10 billion years = 7 days.
I suppose the same question can be applied to you, my radical friend. If you weren't there 10 billion years ago, how do you know what happened?
Erm, I see. And you were there 6,000 years ago and saw it all. Thus you've no need to look critically at the superstitious screeving of peoples of Bibical times. Well done, I say. Well done!
Perhaps you can clear up a point of confusion for me: Why did some god or other even bother? Does it have an ego so fragil that it has to have praise 24/7? And what did it do before deciding to set up our happy, little hive?
Stole the words outta my mouth. And why your God, anyway? And not the others? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 08:39:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Deny evolution, and you're denying the basis for the entire field.
Then I will deny it just as you deny my maker. You could give me death before I will believe in that rubbish.
Evolution does not deny the existance of God. It makes no comment on it what so ever.
The "poor persecuted Christian" bit is getting old, uberfundie. We have no interest in forcing you to believe as we do. We just want you to defend your assertations with valid sources. We fully expect to defend our assertations with sources (and oftentimes, they are cited before being asked for them).
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verlch
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 12:00:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
verlich wrote:
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I suppose the same question can be applied to you, my radical friend. If you weren't there 10 billion years ago, how do you know what happened?
Radical? I say show me proof before I accept something as fact. You on the other hand have stated that you would rather kill yourself than change your beliefs regardless of the proof. If there was proof of your position I would gladly change my beliefs.
Who's the radical again???
At 12, 13 I made up my mind. Believed in God. Couldn't see any other way. Evoulution offered theories and no concrete proof, and I wondered the reasoning why so many choose to believe in it. How could a woman that looked so good, come from nothing and cook the next human in the oven. A car never evolved to sit there as a car, it took time to develpe it and to put it together!
Originally Darwin needed only 1 million years to make evolution happen, now its turned into billions. I say your going to need trillions when I am done with the theory!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 12:14:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by furshur
verlich wrote:
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I suppose the same question can be applied to you, my radical friend. If you weren't there 10 billion years ago, how do you know what happened?
Radical? I say show me proof before I accept something as fact. You on the other hand have stated that you would rather kill yourself than change your beliefs regardless of the proof. If there was proof of your position I would gladly change my beliefs.
Who's the radical again???
At 12, 13 I made up my mind. Believed in God. Couldn't see any other way. Evoulution offered theories and no concrete proof, and I wondered the reasoning why so many choose to believe in it. How could a woman that looked so good, come from nothing and cook the next human in the oven. A car never evolved to sit there as a car, it took time to develpe it and to put it together!
Originally Darwin needed only 1 million years to make evolution happen, now its turned into billions. I say your going to need trillions when I am done with the theory!!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 12:17:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by furshur
verlich wrote:
[quote]I suppose the same question can be applied to you, my radical friend. If you weren't there 10 billion years ago, how do you know what happened?
Radical? I say show me proof before I accept something as fact. You on the other hand have stated that you would rather kill yourself than change your beliefs regardless of the proof. If there was proof of your position I would gladly change my beliefs.
Who's the radical again???
At 12, 13 I made up my mind. Believed in God. Couldn't see any other way. Evoulution offered theories and no concrete proof, and I wondered the reasoning why so many choose to believe in it. How could a woman that looked so good, come from nothing and cook the next human in the oven. A car never evolved to sit there as a car, it took time to develpe it and to put it together!
Originally Darwin needed only 1 million years to make evolution happen, now its turned into billions. I say your going to need trillions when I am done with the theory!!
Verlch, of all the preposterous statements you've made, with all of the confirmed evidence we have given you, this one is not the most preposterous.
But, it's close.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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furshur
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 12:26:46 [Permalink]
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Verlich said:
How could a woman that looked so good, come from nothing and cook the next human in the oven.
Well I certainly can't argue with that statement. Because I haven't got a freaking clue what in the hell that is even suppose to mean!! Are you trying to make some sort of point or are you just randomly stringing words together? 
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 12:34:21 [Permalink]
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So your vast sophisticated research of evolution at the age of 12 produced no evidence? What sources did you use to come to that decision?
Woman didnt come from nothing as you assert, it came from another woman whos genetic makeup and DNA were slightly different, repeat this process a million times and viola she wont even look human.
You dont seem to understand Darwin in the slightest. Darwin said million because he only had the tip of the iceburg of data. That and the age of the world was not known at the time. Claiming that evolution is invalid because Darwin made mistakes is like saying cars wont work because they dont have steam engines anymore. Things change in science when new data arises, like the internal combustion engine for example.
If Darwin had all the data we have he would not have made those mistakes. But lucikly in science we must change when new data thwarts the old. We no longer use 'Darwinian evolution' because he didnt have enough time and manpower, but evolution is still the driving force for modern Biology, Genetics, Paleontology, Epidemiology, Oncology, Parasitology, Ecology, Zoology, Etc., Etc., Etc.
The car has evolved quite a bit in a hundred years eh?
Note: 'Woman who looked so good' this is a matter of opinion, if all humans had buck teeth and a third eye, that would look good to you too because youd be just like them. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 15:41:02 [Permalink]
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How could a woman that looked so good, come from nothing and cook the next human in the oven.
Here's our good ol' mysogyne friend (I probably butchered that word).
What DOES matter is: how so many Come-From-God men could torture and burn the oh-so-frail-looking-so-good women?
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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