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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/18/2004 : 07:56:31 [Permalink]
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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MP1989
New Member
USA
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Posted - 10/30/2004 : 21:41:06 [Permalink]
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| This is all crap!!! I personally witnessed pieces of that plane being haulde out of there in dumpsters. I was pulling security at the gate inside the rings where the trucks went in and out to remove those pieces. I peered at the inside of every one of those containers on the way in and out! |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/31/2004 : 07:25:24 [Permalink]
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This is all crap!!!
Excellent! Directly to the point without a lot of blather. I like that.
Welcome MP1989!
I see from your profile that you are Military Police. Were you on duty when the plane went in? If so, an interesting gig you have there.
Again welcome!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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MP1989
New Member
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Posted - 10/31/2004 : 08:08:46 [Permalink]
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Thank You! To answer Filthy's question, No I was not on duty when the plane hit. My unit (MDARNG) was called to respond at about 5 a.m. on the 12th. We rallied together and were escorted via State Police all the way there. We remained there until the 30th. We were then placed in GA for 2 months. We returned to the "Gon" in December and remained until September 30th, 2002.
Eight months later we were in Afghanistan for an 11 month tour. What's next? Guess it depends on the elections. Currently we have been deployed for almost 24 months in a 5 year period. A law passed by Congress mandates that Guard/ Reserve soldiers can only be deployed for 2 years in a 5 year period under one operation. (GWOT) |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/31/2004 : 08:52:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MP1989
Thank You! To answer Filthy's question, No I was not on duty when the plane hit. My unit (MDARNG) was called to respond at about 5 a.m. on the 12th. We rallied together and were escorted via State Police all the way there. We remained there until the 30th. We were then placed in GA for 2 months. We returned to the "Gon" in December and remained until September 30th, 2002.
Eight months later we were in Afghanistan for an 11 month tour. What's next? Guess it depends on the elections. Currently we have been deployed for almost 24 months in a 5 year period. A law passed by Congress mandates that Guard/ Reserve soldiers can only be deployed for 2 years in a 5 year period under one operation. (GWOT)
Interesting gig or not, I don't envy you. At least in 'Nam you'd have some idea of when your tour was up.
I do not know nor can even make a guess as to what will happen after the election, regardless of who wins. I don't see how we can disengage in Iraq without the cooporation of the populace, and that we ain't got. Perhaps Kerry, if he wins, can get something diplomatic going and cool things off a bit, but I can make no predictions.
I sincerly hope that you are not to be posted to Iraq. And thank you for your Afganistan service. I only wish that you were better supported.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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verlch
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 22:40:53 [Permalink]
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/962839/detail.html
I know there was faces of the devil in the smoke! I saw one of them personally in the tapes I watched over and over!
I think was a terrible act of evil! only fitting the devil would show up in the smoke. Then to top it off they put the eternal flame on it to mark the spot! Its the event the brought the Illumaniti the closest they have been to Jerusalem since Jerusalem had them! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/24/2004 : 01:33:35 [Permalink]
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We humans have this great ability to recognize patterns. One of the most common patterns, one that we learn very early, is the human face. It's a survival mechanism, I suspect.
It's also the reason why people see the "virgin Mary" in a 10 year old grilled cheese sandwich and on mineral stained reflective glass.
Sit back some nice summer afternoon and stare up at the clouds for a couple of hours and see if you don't start recognizing shapes.
<I was going to put a reference on pattern recognition in here, had read an article some time ago on the study of human pattern recognition abilities and the effort to mimic the ability for computers to enhance security..... but I can't seem to locate it. A google search turns up some related stuff, but not the specific article I want... oh well. If I find it I will post it, if anyone has any good references please post :) >
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 11/24/2004 : 07:44:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Leave it to Verlch to bring a dead topic back to life! Although I can't say these are fakes with any evidence, I would put the validity of them into question.
According to the article, Ricky, none of the photos were doctored, and I don't think there's any reason to think that they were. Instead, I think it's just an example of the face-on-Mars phenomenon, where shadows, when looked at from a certain angle, create the illusion of something familiar-- a face, a dog, the virgin Mary, or whatever.
That so many people actually think that Satan (or, apparently, an angel) was forming in the clouds there is a comment on the pathetic state of country when it comes to critical thinking. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 11/24/2004 : 08:08:05 [Permalink]
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If you've programmed yourself with religious dogma long enough, or intensively enough, especially willingly, then your ability to think critically is so impared you'll need someone to slap your face.
Our ability to recognise faces is pre-wired, and if you add a heightened fear of anything that can be remotly linked to satanic or demonic whatever, what you'll see is Satan everywhere. Time to commit yourself to an institution. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/24/2004 : 11:51:42 [Permalink]
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I saw two of those faces on the video from the day it happened. I saw both bottom ones. I haven't had time to validate all the other ones.
Basically four faces where seen and many other wild things, make of it what you will...
http://members.lycos.co.uk/brisray/optill/oother.htm
That face was the same on two different days. These where faces that looked like this face.
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/post.asp?method=Edit&REPLY_ID=50620&TOPIC_ID=3194&FORUM_ID=4
Look under WTC faces!
There are more pictures....like one of an angel flying in front of the building!
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/prophecy/priory.htm |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/24/2004 : 12:03:35 [Permalink]
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Dude wrote:
We humans have this great ability to recognize patterns.
In this case it is called pareidolia. And verlch has got it bad. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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verlch
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Posted - 11/24/2004 : 12:36:47 [Permalink]
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| Well I haven't been the only ones to see it, or care about it! I thought it was interesting! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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