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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
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Posted - 09/23/2004 :  13:42:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
But the bible says that the number that is in heaven shall exceed the numbers of the sands of the seas. So there has to be some 'good' coming from somewhere!!!!

Well then, in order to gather that much 'good' souls, it would take so much time we wouldn't have to worry about the End Of Days for another couple of hundred thousand years.

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2004 :  17:16:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
And considering how good someone has to be to go to heaven, if we go by the strictest definition, I would bet that the Sun would turn into a red giant before that would happen.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2004 :  21:54:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
If heaven is real, and the entry requirements are what the fundies say they are... heaven is empty, and will remain so forever.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Starman
SFN Regular

Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2004 :  00:33:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
The only requirement according to fundies is: Suck up to God-Jesus big time!

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2004 :  01:53:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Try Sinfest. If you browse through the archives a bit, you're bound to find him manning (deviling?) his "Anything You Want" booth.


One of my favorites!


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Siberia
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Brazil
2322 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2004 :  04:55:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Though Jesus does say if you repent soon enough you'll go to heaven.
So I guess heaven is,

a) Empty.
b) Full of late-hour repentists, which would mean people who repented 1 milisecond before death.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2004 :  06:50:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Though Jesus does say if you repent soon enough you'll go to heaven.
So I guess heaven is,

a) Empty.
b) Full of late-hour repentists, which would mean people who repented 1 milisecond before death.


Damn flip-floppers.....

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2004 :  23:52:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by moakley

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Than you serve mammon and the devil.

The devil!!! Another entity whose entire existence requires faith. Faith: A firm belief in an assertion without proof.

The devil who motivates christian belief through fear. You can't prove the devil exists through any empirical evidence and yet you fear him. That's irrational or a best a superstition.



Eph 6:12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 09/25/2004 :  02:31:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by moakley

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Than you serve mammon and the devil.

The devil!!! Another entity whose entire existence requires faith. Faith: A firm belief in an assertion without proof.

The devil who motivates christian belief through fear. You can't prove the devil exists through any empirical evidence and yet you fear him. That's irrational or a best a superstition.



Eph 6:12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Precisely! Couldn't have said it better myself.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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tomk80
SFN Regular

Netherlands
1278 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2004 :  07:55:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Eph 6:12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



IOW: vote against Bush!

Tom

`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll-
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie

USA
4826 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2004 :  06:36:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by tomk80

quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Eph 6:12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



IOW: vote against Bush!



Does that mean verlch will be voting against GWB come November?

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  13:31:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

quote:
Originally posted by tomk80

quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Eph 6:12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



IOW: vote against Bush!



Does that mean verlch will be voting against GWB come November?



Do you want to vote for satans son or satan's cousin. Take your pick.

The entrance into heaven is simply believing in Jesus, that he came to this planet, died for our sins and went back to the Father.

No one comes to the Father except by Jesus. He paid the ultimate punishment for our rebellion. Had he sinned once, all would be for naught.

There will be a great multitude in heaven, trust me on that on.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Siberia
SFN Addict

Brazil
2322 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  13:36:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
The entrance into heaven is simply believing in Jesus, that he came to this planet, died for our sins and went back to the Father.

And leading a correct life through Jesus and living the way Jesus preached you to, following the commandments and such. It's not that simple, y'know.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  14:37:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
I think it starts over every time you are forgiven for trangressing the law.

All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God

Romans 3:23

Even Moses sinned, the dust couldn't keep him and God took him to Heaven. He was good enough not to have to stay dead!!!!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9677 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  17:35:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Do you want to vote for satans son or satan's cousin. Take your pick.

I've already have. The question is... have you?
If you don't vote for Satan's Cousin (Kerry) then Satan's Son (Bush) will win by default.
Remember, if you don't want to choose the lesser of two evils, someone else will choose for you.

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"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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