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Dave - good catch on all of the crosses on the DC map. Why would the designers of DC have done that if not to send a message. Ohhhh, I just got a chill. That is really scary, I mean what are the chances that happened by accident?
What do YOU think Verlich?
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 08:25:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
Perhaps asking a memeber of the grove what it represents is the next step. Several people have pointed it out that the owl represents Moloch and Molech.
What an unsatisfying answer. Yes, I'll just book a flight out to California and find the special Masonic Grove and ask them about how an owl relates to their demon worship. Thanks, verlch. Nice dodge.
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These ideas are taken from masons that are in the Bohemian Grove and understand what it is. The bible says that those that worshipped Molech sacrificed their children to him to promote good in the land they lived. The bible says Molech was a demon.
Right. But then, the Bible isn't likely to portray too many Canaanite deities as gods, is it...
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Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that [is] before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 1 Kings 11:7
There is the King Solomon connection. Even the star of David is said to arise out of pagon kings. Basically being two triangles placed together.
Uh, did you read the Bible verse you jut quoted?!? The god mentioned isn't Molech, it's Chemosh!! They're two different Canaanite gods! Just like Yahweh was Israel's state god (and Marduk was Babylonia's, and Ashur was Assyria's, and Molcom was Ammon's, and Qos was Edom's, and so on), Chemosh was Moab's sate god. Again, Molech does not equal Chemosh.
verlch should have referenced Leviticus for the mention of Molech as a diety. Molech's rites are alluded to in one of the passages which Jack Shick and his ilk reference in terms of homosexuality being an abomination.
Leviticus 18:21-22
"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through [the fire] to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I [am] the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination."
But then again, how fair of a shake are competing dieties going to get from a God who has as a commandment "Thou shalt not have other Gods before me."
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 08:31:11 [Permalink]
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But then again, how fair of a shake are competing dieties going to get from a God who has as a commandment "Thou shalt not have other Gods before me."
Kinda sounds like the old boy was having a little trouble consolidating his territory. Maybe he should have pissed a little harder at his marking spots.
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 08:44:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
But then again, how fair of a shake are competing dieties going to get from a God who has as a commandment "Thou shalt not have other Gods before me."
Exactly, Valiant Dancer. In fact, this is one of the most interesting lines in the Bible for me. The reason is that it contradicts the notion that there is only one god in the universe. After all, you don't say "don't worship any other gods but me" unless there are other gods around to worship. Similarly, you don't put in your law code "gay sex is a really horrible act" unless it's well known that members of your society are engaging in gay sex (and, of course, you want it to stop). |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 10:36:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
But then again, how fair of a shake are competing dieties going to get from a God who has as a commandment "Thou shalt not have other Gods before me."
Exactly, Valiant Dancer. In fact, this is one of the most interesting lines in the Bible for me. The reason is that it contradicts the notion that there is only one god in the universe. After all, you don't say "don't worship any other gods but me" unless there are other gods around to worship. Similarly, you don't put in your law code "gay sex is a really horrible act" unless it's well known that members of your society are engaging in gay sex (and, of course, you want it to stop).
Ah, but does it actually say that gay sex is bad?
I have heard arguements concerning the whole thing in Leviticus (the only place it mentions gay sex as a sin) as actually being references to Molech worship, not homosexuality. I agree with the analysis based on the marked difference in terminology used when refering to sexual liaisons in surrounding passages in Leviticus. (uncovering the nakedness of someone vs lieing with mandkind)
As you are the resident Hebriac scholar, have you noted any contextual abberations in the text which may give further idea of scope or meaning?
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 10:38:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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But then again, how fair of a shake are competing dieties going to get from a God who has as a commandment "Thou shalt not have other Gods before me."
Kinda sounds like the old boy was having a little trouble consolidating his territory. Maybe he should have pissed a little harder at his marking spots.
And yet they fail to see the inconsistancy of placing Jesus before God for salvation and referring to Jesus as a seperate entity from God. |
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verlch
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 13:04:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
But then again, how fair of a shake are competing dieties going to get from a God who has as a commandment "Thou shalt not have other Gods before me."
Exactly, Valiant Dancer. In fact, this is one of the most interesting lines in the Bible for me. The reason is that it contradicts the notion that there is only one god in the universe. After all, you don't say "don't worship any other gods but me" unless there are other gods around to worship. Similarly, you don't put in your law code "gay sex is a really horrible act" unless it's well known that members of your society are engaging in gay sex (and, of course, you want it to stop).
God wants no other gods but him. There are lots of statues in the world taking prayer and attention away fromt the living God. Reminds me of Abraham when he was called Abrahm. His father was an idol maker, Abrahm smashed all his fathers idols one day and put the hammer in the biggest idol. his father Terah came home and asked what had happened. Abrahm said the biggest idol smashed all the smaller ones, Terah said that is impossible, these idols do not live. Abrahm exclaimed than why do you worship them?
We are all very familiar with the terms such as #8216;come ye out from among them#8217;, #8216;Flee from Babylon#8217;, #8216;Do not be a partaker in her sins.#8217;
Gen 12:1-3
1 Now YHWH had said unto Abram, Get yourself out of your country, and from your kindred, and from your father's house, unto a land that I will show you:
2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curses you: and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Abraham the founder of Israel, ancient Israel...
The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, was a great ziggurat over three hundred and fifty feet high. Sir Henry Rawlinson found, in excavating a foundation corner at Borsippa, a cylinder on which was an inscription. It stated that the tower of Borsippa, had been erected by a former king who had completed it to a height of forty two cubits, but for some reason did not finish the tower. The later king, being urged to do so by the god Murduk (a pagan deity), restored the tower on its original site.(3)
I just found this website talking about the Tower of Babel.
In Genesis 11:7, note that the verse says, "let US go down and confound their language". Here again is the use of the plural word, Elohim for naming God. Since else where the Bible clearly teaches there is but one God this is evidence of the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
http://www.bible-truth.org/GEN11.HTM
Reasons why there is so many languages....
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/b/b0003000.html
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Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 17:36:05 [Permalink]
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verlch, are you going to address the questions I asked you in my last post on the previous page of this thread?
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filthy
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 17:51:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch, are you going to address the questions I asked you in my last post on the previous page of this thread?
Randy, furshur: thanks!
Dave, you should know by now, better than any except me, that the V-man does not answer questions, no. Rather, he takes us off on yet another snipe hunt, even more fruitless than the last.
Me, I've reached the point where I don't expect anything more than just the enjoyment of the ride.
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filthy
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 18:20:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Hey, filthy, I wasn't expecting anything, just asking the question. 
Oh, I see! Whistling past the grave yard, eh? 
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verlch
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 00:26:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch, are you going to address the questions I asked you in my last post on the previous page of this thread?
Randy, furshur: thanks!
Well freemason's representing the false religion of Babylon and Christianity represents the bible and a believe in Jesus Christ and not a belief in John the Baptist. Sure John the Baptist was a good man, he wasn't Jesus Christ Son of God sent to die for the sins of all mankind! I believe freemasonry is all about itself, there is no good in it and all knowledge in the craft.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 02:15:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch, are you going to address the questions I asked you in my last post on the previous page of this thread?
Randy, furshur: thanks!
Well freemason's representing the false religion of Babylon and Christianity represents the bible and a believe in Jesus Christ and not a belief in John the Baptist. Sure John the Baptist was a good man, he wasn't Jesus Christ Son of God sent to die for the sins of all mankind! I believe freemasonry is all about itself, there is no good in it and all knowledge in the craft.
What do you think Dave Wiah?
Of course Freemasonry is all about itself! So is Christianity. And Islam, Hindi, governments, the Mafia, Intellegent design, the Aryan Brotherhood and the Klan, and all all the rest of the worlds organizations, benevolent and otherwise.
It's all bullshit, verlch; every bit of it. I seem to recall asking you once, about 75 miles back in another thread, do you tithe?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 08:37:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Well freemason's representing the false religion of Babylon and Christianity represents the bible and a believe in Jesus Christ and not a belief in John the Baptist. Sure John the Baptist was a good man, he wasn't Jesus Christ Son of God sent to die for the sins of all mankind! I believe freemasonry is all about itself, there is no good in it and all knowledge in the craft.
What do you think Dave Wiah?
What the heck is a "Wiah?"
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 08:44:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by verlch
Well freemason's representing the false religion of Babylon and Christianity represents the bible and a believe in Jesus Christ and not a belief in John the Baptist. Sure John the Baptist was a good man, he wasn't Jesus Christ Son of God sent to die for the sins of all mankind! I believe freemasonry is all about itself, there is no good in it and all knowledge in the craft.
What do you think Dave Wiah?
What the heck is a "Wiah?"
Anyway, I think you dodged every question I asked. Would you like me to list them again?
I think he was attempting to say "Dubya" as a play on words equating your handle with the current Commander in Chief. I think it was an attempt at flippant humor which got verlched up. |
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