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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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As you are the resident Hebriac scholar, have you noted any contextual abberations in the text which may give further idea of scope or meaning?
Yeah, Valiant Dancer, I'll have a close look at it soon. However, skimming through it makes me think that the original interpretation-- that is, that gay sex is bad-- is right.
In fact, you see the same sort of prohibitions in other Near Eastern laws (now translated into English in Martha Roth's fine (and inexpensive) Law Collections from Mesopotamia and Asia Minor), we find similar prohibitions in, for example, the so-called Middle Assyrian Laws. So it doesn't seem far-fetched for the Biblical writers/law-makers to have similar sentiments. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 10:34:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Well freemason's representing the false religion of Babylon and Christianity represents the bible and a believe in Jesus Christ and not a belief in John the Baptist. Sure John the Baptist was a good man, he wasn't Jesus Christ Son of God sent to die for the sins of all mankind! I believe freemasonry is all about itself, there is no good in it and all knowledge in the craft.
None of that made much sense, verlch, so perhaps you could get back on the meds for a few hours so a cogent thought might make it into your post. Nevertheless, your continued assertion that Masons somehow practice a "false religion of Babylon" despite the fact that there is no evidence is just plain stupid. Indeed, it's been demonstrated time and again that none of the arguments make, nor the tired links that you post, prove anything beyond the fact that a wild imagination coupled with a persecution complex, paranoid delusions, and perhaps some chemicals, allows one to say some pretty crazy things. |
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 10:43:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
I think he was attempting to say "Dubya" as a play on words equating your handle with the current Commander in Chief. I think it was an attempt at flippant humor which got verlched up.
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verlch
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 12:07:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
Well freemason's representing the false religion of Babylon and Christianity represents the bible and a believe in Jesus Christ and not a belief in John the Baptist. Sure John the Baptist was a good man, he wasn't Jesus Christ Son of God sent to die for the sins of all mankind! I believe freemasonry is all about itself, there is no good in it and all knowledge in the craft.
None of that made much sense, verlch, so perhaps you could get back on the meds for a few hours so a cogent thought might make it into your post. Nevertheless, your continued assertion that Masons somehow practice a "false religion of Babylon" despite the fact that there is no evidence is just plain stupid. Indeed, it's been demonstrated time and again that none of the arguments make, nor the tired links that you post, prove anything beyond the fact that a wild imagination coupled with a persecution complex, paranoid delusions, and perhaps some chemicals, allows one to say some pretty crazy things.
Alright Mr. Smarty pants, try going to a Masonic Lodge and listen to the words of The Most Worshipful Master of the lodge! If he will even talk to you. Ask him what Masons think of Jesus Christ, they will call him a good man and elevate John the Baptist. Remember Herod's wife? Herod was a leader of a city in Roman occupied Israel. He asked his contentious what would make her happy. She said the head of John the Baptist.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1190/stjohnb.html
There is even a symbol of the headless John the Baptist in Mason drawings. John the Baptist was Jesus Christs cousin. They have found his tomb in Israel and in it a skeleton with his head missing and markings on the bone of a knife. I can't find any information on it!
http://www.ifapray.org/ScienceArtCulture/Tomb%20References%20John%20the%20Baptist's%20Father.html
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-christianmurders-baptist.html
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/john.htm
"17: For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her. 18: For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife. 19: Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not: 20: For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly. 21: And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee; 22: And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee. 23: And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom. 24: And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist. 25: And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist. 26: And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her. 27: And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison, 28: And brought his head in a charger, and gave it to the damsel: and the damsel gave it to her mother. 29: And when his disciples heard of it, they came and took up his corpse, and laid it in a tomb."
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How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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furshur
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 12:43:02 [Permalink]
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Verlich said:
John the Baptist was Jesus Christs cousin. They have found his tomb in Israel and in it a skeleton with his head missing and markings on the bone of a knife. I can't find any information on it!
You can't find any information on it because it is Bull Verlich!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 13:31:34 [Permalink]
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Howl nowl foul owl, hast thee moved thy bowel?
'Ethinks thou hast!
Verlch, nobody is going to get into a Mason's meeting without being a member in good standing. No member in good standing is going to run his mouth about that meeting to anyone but another Mason, and that Mason might not hear about it unless he's a member in good standing of that paticular Lodge.
Hey, it's no big deal. My M/C is the same way, as are all fraternal organiztions. Just ask me about a meeting and see how fast I tell you to fuck off!
As for the cave of John the Baptist, there has indeed been a cave discovered that shows signs of occupancy at around the time of Jesus, but the claim, which has been made by other than you, that it was used by the late John is no more than a speculation.
Without documentation, a headless skeleton is no more than that of some unfortunate who got topped off. Who says it's Johnny's? If it exists at all.
Yeesh!
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 13:37:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Alright Mr. Smarty pants, try going to a Masonic Lodge and listen to the words of The Most Worshipful Master of the lodge! If he will even talk to you. Ask him what Masons think of Jesus Christ, they will call him a good man and elevate John the Baptist. Remember Herod's wife? Herod was a leader of a city in Roman occupied Israel. He asked his contentious what would make her happy. She said the head of John the Baptist.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1190/stjohnb.html
There is even a symbol of the headless John the Baptist in Mason drawings. John the Baptist was Jesus Christs cousin. They have found his tomb in Israel and in it a skeleton with his head missing and markings on the bone of a knife. I can't find any information on it!
[remaining stuff snipped]
See what I mean?!? I ask about Babylonian religion-- you know, owls or Ba'al or even pyramids-- and I get John the Baptist! It's sooo frustrating.
And now, since I wrote this, he'll just link the same stupid crap again. But since none of it includes any real proof that Molech had anything to do with an owl, we'll be back to square one. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 14:21:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
Well freemason's representing the false religion of Babylon and Christianity represents the bible and a believe in Jesus Christ and not a belief in John the Baptist. Sure John the Baptist was a good man, he wasn't Jesus Christ Son of God sent to die for the sins of all mankind! I believe freemasonry is all about itself, there is no good in it and all knowledge in the craft.
None of that made much sense, verlch, so perhaps you could get back on the meds for a few hours so a cogent thought might make it into your post. Nevertheless, your continued assertion that Masons somehow practice a "false religion of Babylon" despite the fact that there is no evidence is just plain stupid. Indeed, it's been demonstrated time and again that none of the arguments make, nor the tired links that you post, prove anything beyond the fact that a wild imagination coupled with a persecution complex, paranoid delusions, and perhaps some chemicals, allows one to say some pretty crazy things.
Alright Mr. Smarty pants, try going to a Masonic Lodge and listen to the words of The Most Worshipful Master of the lodge! If he will even talk to you. Ask him what Masons think of Jesus Christ, they will call him a good man and elevate John the Baptist. Remember Herod's wife? Herod was a leader of a city in Roman occupied Israel. He asked his contentious what would make her happy. She said the head of John the Baptist.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1190/stjohnb.html
There is even a symbol of the headless John the Baptist in Mason drawings. John the Baptist was Jesus Christs cousin. They have found his tomb in Israel and in it a skeleton with his head missing and markings on the bone of a knife. I can't find any information on it!
http://www.ifapray.org/ScienceArtCulture/Tomb%20References%20John%20the%20Baptist's%20Father.html
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-christianmurders-baptist.html
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/john.htm
"17: For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her. 18: For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife. 19: Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not: 20: For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly. 21: And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee; 22: And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee. 23: And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom. 24: And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist. 25: And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist. 26: And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her. 27: And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison, 28: And brought his head in a charger, and gave it to the damsel: and the damsel gave it to her mother. 29: And when his disciples heard of it, they came and took up his corpse, and laid it in a tomb."
Your own quotation of the Bible is crap. Salome, not Herod's wife asked for the head of John the Baptist even according to the passage you quoted.
Now, what this has to do with Molech=owl is beyond rational thought, but I'm sure it makes sense to you. Way to dodge the question, verlch. |
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 16:05:17 [Permalink]
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jewwatch.com?
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 17:08:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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Verlich said:
John the Baptist was Jesus Christs cousin. They have found his tomb in Israel and in it a skeleton with his head missing and markings on the bone of a knife. I can't find any information on it!
You can't find any information on it because it is Bull Verlich!
Here is a story about the guy claiming to have found John the Baptist's cave.
Still not sure what this has to do with the topic, though.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 17:59:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by furshur
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Verlich said:
John the Baptist was Jesus Christs cousin. They have found his tomb in Israel and in it a skeleton with his head missing and markings on the bone of a knife. I can't find any information on it!
You can't find any information on it because it is Bull Verlich!
Here is a story about the guy claiming to have found John the Baptist's cave.
Still not sure what this has to do with the topic, though.
That's not the same article I read, but pretty much the same thing.
Hey Double H, this is a verlch thread. The topic means nothing. 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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verlch
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 19:28:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
jewwatch.com?
Come on verlch, how low can you sink?
I'm a Jew dude, well my son is for sure. I'm not sure how much Jewish blood runs through me, but I'm sure its atleast half! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Storm
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 21:15:10 [Permalink]
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Now this is some pretty tripped out shit you guys are talking about.
I have heard of a mason conspiracy a long time ago from my mother. I was under the impression that the masons came from the line of the knights templer who came from a line of someone else who protected jesus's children hwho came about after having Sex with Mary Magedelane? Is this true Verlach?
What next will Storm pull out of her bag o tricks
A verlachian debate....
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 23:30:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
jewwatch.com?
Come on verlch, how low can you sink?
I'm a Jew dude, well my son is for sure. I'm not sure how much Jewish blood runs through me, but I'm sure its atleast half!
Waitasecond. You're not sure if you're Jewish, velrch, but you're sure your son is? Do you know where babies come from, verlch?
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furshur
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 06:23:23 [Permalink]
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First of all I want everyone to brace themselves before reading this....
Take a deep breath....
OK. Verlich is actually making some sort of sense when he says:
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I'm a Jew dude, well my son is for sure. I'm not sure how much Jewish blood runs through me, but I'm sure its atleast half!
The child of a gentile father and a Jewish mother is Jewish. So if Verlich's son is from a Jewish mother then his son is Jewish.
http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/226/Q1/
Edited - to read a little easier.
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