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Rumpl4skn
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  10:03:00  Show Profile Send Rumpl4skn a Private Message
I just joined here, and fully expected to see a smorgasbord of 9/11 topics posted up. But there were none.... hmmm.

So, I don't know if I can assume that most here are completely uninitiated to the 9/11 Truth Movement, or if the subject has been rendered taboo for some reason.

Any comments would be welcomed.

Taking other people's signatures and switching a few words around to make it opposite in meaning doesn't make you particularly clever. Although I admit I've done it myself, and it did make me FEEL more clever. : )

HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  10:11:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Rumpl4skn asked:
quote:
So, I don't know if I can assume that most here are completely uninitiated to the 9/11 Truth Movement, or if the subject has been rendered taboo for some reason.
Welcome to the SFN site!

I'm no initiate. What's the "9/11 Truth Movement"? (BTW, nice nick!)


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Paulos23
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USA
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  10:33:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Paulos23's Homepage Send Paulos23 a Private Message
Welcome Rumpl4skn.

After a little googling, I found this site that seams to be the center of it all: http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=about.

It looks like they don't trust the offical story of the towers collaps, calling for an open investigation.

You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
Edited by - Paulos23 on 02/28/2006 10:34:37
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  10:50:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Rumpl4skn
quote:
uninitiated to the 9/11 Truth Movement


If you are referring to the idiotic conspiracy nonsense and the raving lunatics who believe that the events of 9/11 are something other than terrorist attacks...

We have had a few threads along those lines.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rumpl4skn
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  10:57:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumpl4skn a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

Rumpl4skn
quote:
uninitiated to the 9/11 Truth Movement


If you are referring to the idiotic conspiracy nonsense and the raving lunatics who believe that the events of 9/11 are something other than terrorist attacks...

We have had a few threads along those lines.




Taking other people's signatures and switching a few words around to make it opposite in meaning doesn't make you particularly clever. Although I admit I've done it myself, and it did make me FEEL more clever. : )
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Rumpl4skn
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:00:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumpl4skn a Private Message
quote:

If you are referring to the idiotic conspiracy nonsense and the raving lunatics who believe that the events of 9/11 are something other than terrorist attacks...



But Dude.... how do you really feel about it?

Well, then I guess you can include me in that group of lunatics.

For those of you who have NOT decided to ignore contrary evidence simply because the government told you to... I'd start here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&q=loose+change

Taking other people's signatures and switching a few words around to make it opposite in meaning doesn't make you particularly clever. Although I admit I've done it myself, and it did make me FEEL more clever. : )
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:03:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
The 911thruth.org site seems, at least to my first glance, to have a sane approach to questioning aspects of the 911 tragedies, unlike some of the more bizarre 911 conspiracy theorists that are about. They seem instead to be legitimately questioning published CIA and other comments about what US intelligence knew, and when they knew it, concerning the hijackers, and asking questions about the possible involvement of the Pakistani ISI intelligence agency.

Very good subject matter! I may not have an opportunity to delve deeper for a while, and would appreciate anyone else's reports and comments.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:12:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
We are familiar with all sorts of people who ignore tons of evidence in favor of one unclear photo or quote which is not backed up. Which of course includes 99% of the 911 theorists.

It is obvious that the US Gov hides certain things to save face, like reports of pilots training which were not handled properly, this however does not prove squat.

Please instead of beating around the bush, just give us ten or so sentences on what exactly didnt happen "the way they said it was" and also the "what you think was" then we can go over any evidence one peice at a time, to prevent confusion on any part.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 02/28/2006 11:13:42
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@tomic
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:13:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
We've had lots and lots of 911 discussion here. In fact, there was almost no other discussion for quite a while. Check the archives.

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Rumpl4skn
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:14:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumpl4skn a Private Message
This is also a good place for the uninitiated to start: www.911weknow.com

But the video link I sent is required veiwing for anyone who has half a desire to look at this seriously.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&q=loose+change

Taking other people's signatures and switching a few words around to make it opposite in meaning doesn't make you particularly clever. Although I admit I've done it myself, and it did make me FEEL more clever. : )
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Rumpl4skn
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:16:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumpl4skn a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by @tomic

We've had lots and lots of 911 discussion here. In fact, there was almost no other discussion for quite a while. Check the archives.

@


Hmmm. Are older posts eventually deleted?

Taking other people's signatures and switching a few words around to make it opposite in meaning doesn't make you particularly clever. Although I admit I've done it myself, and it did make me FEEL more clever. : )
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marfknox
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:18:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
We had someone here a while ago who was really, let's say passionate about 9-11 conspiracy theories. So passionate that he was banned. I don't remember his original name, but he returned a couple times, first as pheonix or something. Is that conversaion still posted or is it gone? I ask because I remember that he posted a few movies and I watched one and did a critique of it, but now I don't even remember the name of the jornalist/conspiracy theorist who did the movie. Anyone know?

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:18:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
It was five years ago after all... any chance you could post your beliefs on the topic as I stated above or are we just going to be reading links?

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:21:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
BigPapa pointedly suggested:
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Please instead of beating around the bush, just give us ten or so sentences on what exactly didnt happen "the way they said it was" and also the "what you think was" then we can go over any evidence one peice at a time, to prevent confusion on any part.
Sounds like a good starting place to me, too.

BTW, being a relative newby, I was unfamiliar with the earlier 911 discussions here.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:21:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Rumpl4skn

quote:

If you are referring to the idiotic conspiracy nonsense and the raving lunatics who believe that the events of 9/11 are something other than terrorist attacks...



But Dude.... how do you really feel about it?

Well, then I guess you can include me in that group of lunatics.

For those of you who have NOT decided to ignore contrary evidence simply because the government told you to... I'd start here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&q=loose+change



And for those who disbelieve physics should start here.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

Sorry, none of us here take the government at their word. The physics bears out their contentions.

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Rumpl4skn
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Posted - 02/28/2006 :  11:21:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumpl4skn a Private Message
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Please instead of beating around the bush, just give us ten or so sentences on what exactly didnt happen "the way they said it was" and also the "what you think was" then we can go over any evidence one peice at a time, to prevent confusion on any part.


I'm not beating around any Bushes here. I'm trying to judge the overall demeanor towards the issue, which I must admit, with a few of you already seems to lie somewhere between "hostile" and "honey, get my gun."

Here are 15 points: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

If you guys are completely into denial about government evil, then perhaps I'll just slink out of here and let you discuss whatever you feel are the real issues to be skeptical about. Whatever those may be.

Taking other people's signatures and switching a few words around to make it opposite in meaning doesn't make you particularly clever. Although I admit I've done it myself, and it did make me FEEL more clever. : )
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