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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 11/08/2006 :  19:03:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
With luck, the marriage amendments will follow along the same route as Prohibition, the only Federal Amendment to have restricted (rather than affirmed) the personal rights of the citizenry.

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GeeMack
SFN Regular

USA
1093 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2006 :  19:55:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
We already know the Democrats will now have a majority in the House. For what it's worth, apparently various media reps are now reporting with some confidence that a majority of seats in the Senate have also been won by the Democrats.
quote Yahoo! News:
Dems Complete Election Sweep of Congress

WASHINGTON - Democrats completed an improbable double-barreled election sweep of Congress on Wednesday, taking control of the Senate with a victory in Virginia as they padded their day-old majority in the House.

Jim Webb's victory over Sen. George Allen in Virginia assured Democrats of 51 seats when the Senate convenes in January. That marked a gain of six in midterm elections in which the war in Iraq and President Bush were major issues.
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Randy
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USA
1990 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2006 :  21:26:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack

We already know the Democrats will now have a majority in the House. For what it's worth, apparently various media reps are now reporting with some confidence that a majority of seats in the Senate have also been won by the Democrats.
quote Yahoo! News:
Dems Complete Election Sweep of Congress

WASHINGTON - Democrats completed an improbable double-barreled election sweep of Congress on Wednesday, taking control of the Senate with a victory in Virginia as they padded their day-old majority in the House.

Jim Webb's victory over Sen. George Allen in Virginia assured Democrats of 51 seats when the Senate convenes in January. That marked a gain of six in midterm elections in which the war in Iraq and President Bush were major issues.




So Rush Limbaugh, how about you packing up your fuckin' little radio and flea circus act and just blow on out of here.


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Original_Intent
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USA
609 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2006 :  21:55:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Much as I applaud the resounding defeat of the NeoCons across the Nation, one thing leaves a very sour lingering smell about the election.

One of the basic principles of American democracy has always been the balance between the rule of the majority and the rights of minorities -- a careful balance between democracy and freedom.

The 2006 midterm elections certainly worked in the first part of this, but not nearly so well in the second. In many states, anti-gay legislation has been enacted by popular vote. Whenever people are denied equal protection of the law, it is a violation of our most basic principles of freedom.

All over our Nation, our neighbors have been, through a democratic process, denied their basic freedom to be treated equally. Gay couples do not, except in one state, have a legal right to marry, no matter how dedicated they are in their partnerships. In several states, this has been taken even further, denying such couples domestic partnership rights.

Let me state this clearly: Not even a democratic process can legitimately deny equal rights to citizens. The fact that bigotry is massively popular in many states does not make it right, nor should it make it legal.



Looing at the results from various states, I am really surprised, and it reaffirms my position on curroption and social conservatisim.

It appears nearly 2/3's of the seats lost to Republicans were due to curroption. I really like that. The Democrats took over.... however.....

As Halfmooner pointed out, legislated bigotry. Definitly not a Democratic POV. I really would like to see a Constitutional Amendment on it, but how do you craft it? What do you include? To just say "sexual orientation" is not enough. What about marital status, number of kids, moral difirences, political affilliation. What do you add? What do you leave out? You can't say "anyone for any reason," so it has to be broken down. Arizona passed on it, barely. Colorado, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin do not.

Resounding defeat of Gambling in OH. Yipee.

Resounding defeat of marijuana legalization in several states (sigh). : Colorado, Nevada, South Dakota (not even medical),

English is the official language of Arizona.

Minumum wage: Arizona, Colorado, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Ohio. Perfect.

Parental notification fails in CA and Oregon..... BOOOOOOOOO..... but OK.

I really like seeing ballot initiatives. Power to the States. 50 little Republics. 50 difirent ways of dong things. 50 little engines of competition.

Now all we need are 50 strong states. 50 sets of states where the itiznes are like minded and not fighting amongst themselves.

A micro-managed Pentagon... no more (hopefully). Is Bolton going to be around? Rumor has it.......

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Joe
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2006 :  22:21:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
OI said:
quote:
As Halfmooner pointed out, legislated bigotry. Definitly not a Democratic POV. I really would like to see a Constitutional Amendment on it, but how do you craft it? What do you include?


How about this for a constitutional ammendment on marriage: Marriage is none of the government's fucking business, period. If marriage is to be regulated by the government then it needs to be done in an impartial and non-discriminating manner.

And then we need another constitutional ammendment:
No law can create a situation where discrimination based on race, religion, gender, or sexual preference is made legal. Period.


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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  04:28:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
The tuppence of Ann "Papillion l'Amour" Coulter:
quote:
In her November 8 nationally syndicated column, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter claimed that the Democratic Party made "pathetic gains" in the November 7 midterm elections. As evidence, Coulter pointed to four past elections that were held during the sixth year of a presidency, in which the party controlling the White House lost 43 or more seats in the House of Representatives and as many as 13 Senate seats. She compared those totals to the Democrats' November 7 gains of six Senate seats and at least 28 House seats (with several House races undecided as of this posting). According to Coulter: "Only for half-brights with absolutely no concept of yesterday is this a 'tsunami' -- as MSNBC calls it -- rather than the death throes of a dying party."
Kind'a figgered she'd come up with such..... Sour grapes & green persimmons, eh?




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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 11/10/2006 :  05:14:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Pretty damned stupid of her. But who expects intelligence from the Hagster any longer? So this election demonstrated the death-throes of the Democratic Party, eh?

If this wholesale turnover in the House, Senate, and a majority of Governorships was a sign that the Democrats are dying, by that logic and by their own showing, the Republicans must have long since rotted entirely away.

Coulter's gotta cut down on that meth! It's keeping her too skinny, and destroying her remaining brain cells.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/10/2006 05:15:29
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Original_Intent
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USA
609 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  05:49:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

OI said:
quote:
As Halfmooner pointed out, legislated bigotry. Definitly not a Democratic POV. I really would like to see a Constitutional Amendment on it, but how do you craft it? What do you include?


How about this for a constitutional ammendment on marriage: Marriage is none of the government's fucking business, period. If marriage is to be regulated by the government then it needs to be done in an impartial and non-discriminating manner.

And then we need another constitutional ammendment:
No law can create a situation where discrimination based on race, religion, gender, or sexual preference is made legal. Period.




The federal govenrmnet should'nt be regulating marriage in any way.... That's the states' job.

Seems like a waste of time unless you include more. Otherwise it still leaves discrimination. Some protection is better then none, but discrimination is such a broad problem and there are so many important issues to sort out.

Then again, maybe I am looking at it wrong. Maybe them spending time on a half-dozen amendments s a good thing.....

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Joe
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Original_Intent
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USA
609 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  06:45:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message
The more I think about the results, the more I am sure it is more about curroption then anything. Maybe it is just wishful thinking.

I am still not sure how I feel about it. If it was curroption, then the only things that would make me unhappy s that the pollity goes back to sleep, or ignores curroption that "isn't as bad"

If it was indeed Irag, I am not so happy with it. The team with no plan booted out the team with the bad plan. No plan...... We eleted a group with no plan assuming that their plan would be better. Sucker deal..... No matter what the plan, the results are what people will look at. They have to be better or the pendulem swings the other way........

So as Gates (hopefully, (I think)) goes to the Pentagon with a serious handicap, the Dems take power with one.

rant-off

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13463 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  07:49:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

The tuppence of Ann "Papillion l'Amour" Coulter:
quote:
In her November 8 nationally syndicated column, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter claimed that the Democratic Party made "pathetic gains" in the November 7 midterm elections. As evidence, Coulter pointed to four past elections that were held during the sixth year of a presidency, in which the party controlling the White House lost 43 or more seats in the House of Representatives and as many as 13 Senate seats. She compared those totals to the Democrats' November 7 gains of six Senate seats and at least 28 House seats (with several House races undecided as of this posting). According to Coulter: "Only for half-brights with absolutely no concept of yesterday is this a 'tsunami' -- as MSNBC calls it -- rather than the death throes of a dying party."
Kind'a figgered she'd come up with such..... Sour grapes & green persimmons, eh?





LOL. Now that's spin...

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9677 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  13:59:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Original_Intent
Parental notification fails in CA and Oregon..... BOOOOOOOOO..... but OK.
Could you please clarify... Was that about parents of a minor has to be informed prior/after an abortion? And what exactly is your stance on the issue?
Edited to add: Perhaps a topic for the Social Issues Folder.

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Original_Intent
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USA
609 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  15:12:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

quote:
Originally posted by Original_Intent
Parental notification fails in CA and Oregon..... BOOOOOOOOO..... but OK.
Could you please clarify... Was that about parents of a minor has to be informed prior/after an abortion? And what exactly is your stance on the issue?
Edited to add: Perhaps a topic for the Social Issues Folder.



Correct. Medical decisions, actually any decisions, about a minor child need to be done by the parents. If this is not the case, then the age of emancipation / adulthood needs to be lowered.

edited to add------
In certain cases the court should have the ability to step in where the child is endangered.

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Joe
Edited by - Original_Intent on 11/10/2006 15:14:36
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  15:25:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
Lol @ Coulter. Death throes of a dying party? Sort of like how the ramped up attacks in Iraq were merely the death throes of the insurgency?

Is there anyone who still falls for the lies of these conservative shills?


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filthy
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Posted - 11/10/2006 :  15:52:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message





"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2006 :  19:37:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
H.H. asked:
quote:
Is there anyone who still falls for the lies of these conservative shills?



Yes.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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