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moakley
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by cantbe323
Are you incapable of absorbing any information more complicated than that found in My Pet Goat?
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Tacky, tacky...
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I thought so too.
Where the hell do you get off claiming to be an engineer?
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I don't question your pedigree so don't question mine... OK?
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I don't have a pedigree beyond what you will find in my profile, nor do I claim anything more than that. But I'm having some real doubts concerning yours.
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cantbe323 having degrees should not be confused with having knowledge. We are all familiar with some very well diploma'ed individuals who are making no contribution to their related field of study. The entire staff at the Discovery Institute comes to mind. In my reading the of the threads that you have participated in the only thing that you have offered is your firmly held belief. Which you have been shown time and again is wrong.
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Posted - 02/24/2010 : 19:37:36 [Permalink]
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In my reading the of the threads that you have participated in the only thing that you have offered is your firmly held belief. Which you have been shown time and again is wrong. >>
Unsupported beliefs is all anybody has, including you and I.
Since my background has become such a hot issue, I'll make it short and sweet.
5 years at NASA as a design specialist, 22 years at the Lockheed Skunk works as a DS, 3 years at Western Geophysical as a seismograph data recorder, 6 years at Hughes Aircraft as a DS, 3 years at Douglas as a DS, and I solved every design problem I encountered.
Nothing theoretical, or educated guesses, just plain old electrical and mechanical engineering.
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moakley
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Posted - 02/24/2010 : 20:04:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Originally posted by moakley
In my reading the of the threads that you have participated in the only thing that you have offered is your firmly held belief. Which you have been shown time and again is wrong.
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Unsupported beliefs is all anybody has, including you and I.
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You are wrong again. I can provide a review of your various post in this thread and others and show conclusively that you have never source a single assertions that you have made. So I will be dealing not from belief, but from the fact that you have been unwilling or unable to support your arguments with anything more than your opinion/belief.
Originally posted by cantbe323
Since my background has become such a hot issue, I'll make it short and sweet.
5 years at NASA as a design specialist, 22 years at the Lockheed Skunk works as a DS, 3 years at Western Geophysical as a seismograph data recorder, 6 years at Hughes Aircraft as a DS, 3 years at Douglas as a DS, and I solved every design problem I encountered.
Nothing theoretical, or educated guesses, just plain old electrical and mechanical engineering.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/24/2010 : 20:05:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Unsupported beliefs is all anybody has, including you and I. |
That's an unsupported belief.| Nothing theoretical, or educated guesses, just plain old electrical and mechanical engineering. |
Based on what? Electrical engineering is based on electron theory. Without the theory, there'd be no electrical engineering. Without the theories of materials science and physics, there'd be no mechanical engineering.
Your idea that there is nothing theoretical in what you did is utterly ludicrous. You can't divorce any branch of engineering from the science it is based on, like you're attempting to do.
Ironically, I just learned that Georg Ohm published his scientific work to ridicule from his German peers because they all thought that the truths of nature could all be deduced through reason alone. Ohm, ridiculously (to them), resorted to experimentation and theory in the discovery of the law that bears his name. Methods that you, cantbe, reject, despite you undoubtedly making good use of the results. |
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moakley
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Posted - 02/24/2010 : 21:05:54 [Permalink]
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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 12:21:46 [Permalink]
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Nothing theoretical, or educated guesses, just plain old electrical and mechanical engineering. >> cantbe323
Based on what? Electrical engineering is based on electron theory . Without the theory, there'd be no electrical engineering. Without the theories of materials science and physics, there'd be no mechanical engineering. >>
Back then, when schedules were so tight, electrical engineers didn't have enough tiime to investigate cause. They could only work with the effect. Materials, strength and weight, were found in thick design books, and when new design was needed, high paid Design Specialists were called in.
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filthy
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 12:26:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Nothing theoretical, or educated guesses, just plain old electrical and mechanical engineering. >> cantbe323
Based on what? Electrical engineering is based on electron theory . Without the theory, there'd be no electrical engineering. Without the theories of materials science and physics, there'd be no mechanical engineering. >>
Back then, when schedules were so tight, electrical engineers didn't have enough tiime to investigate cause. They could only work with the effect. Materials, strength and weight, were found in thick design books, and when new design was needed, high paid Design Specialists were called in.
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References please, and what does this have to do with Paleontology?
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Fripp
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 14:20:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Back then, when schedules were so tight, electrical engineers didn't have enough tiime to investigate cause. They could only work with the effect. Materials, strength and weight, were found in thick design books, and when new design was needed, high paid Design Specialists were called in.
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Electricians don't need to know electron theory in order to ply their trade. That still doesn't negate the theory.
Is this the best you got?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 20:18:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Back then, when schedules were so tight, electrical engineers didn't have enough tiime to investigate cause. They could only work with the effect. Materials, strength and weight, were found in thick design books, and when new design was needed, high paid Design Specialists were called in. |
The design books tabulate the scientific findings so that engineers don't have to re-perform the collection of data and hypothesis testing over and over again. The design specialists, if they're really good, know the laws and theories that went into making those books, and apply the science more directly to the problem at hand.
Engineers turn scientific knowledge into practical solutions. They are very good at that, but without the scientific knowledge as a basis, there would be no engineers. There would be no design books, and certainly no design specialists, without scientists first gathering the data and figuring out how the materials work, and passing that on to the engineers.
Of course, the door swings both ways in today's world. The age of scientists grinding their own lenses for microscopes are long gone. Nowadays, scientists pass along specifications for the tools they need to engineers, who design a solution and then pass it along to still other people who actually build the tools.
Thus science and engineering today are both dependent upon the skills of the lowly fabricators. Hell, the scientists who collected the data and the engineers who used the data in those design books probably couldn't have created such a book between them. The skills for printing and binding are also specialized, but are also dependent upon other materials science and engineering.
I've known a scientist or two who would think that a rock taped to a drinking straw might make a nice hammer, but I've also known engineers for whom "measure twice, cut once" was a nightmarish ordeal. Rag on scientists all you like, cantbe, but engineering as practiced in your day (allegedly) wouldn't exist without them. And the scientists and engineers both owe a huge debt of gratitude to the guys who can work magic with a bandsaw without losing any fingers. |
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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 13:24:17 [Permalink]
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Rag on scientists all you like, cantbe, but engineering as practiced in your day (allegedly) wouldn't exist without them. And the scientists and engineers both owe a huge debt of gratitude to the guys who can work magic with a bandsaw without losing any fingers.>>
Of course some scientific theories eventually produce cause/effect engineering results that can be demonstrated, no doubt about that, but there are still far too many theories that only exhibit random or unpredictable effects.
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filthy
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 14:50:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Rag on scientists all you like, cantbe, but engineering as practiced in your day (allegedly) wouldn't exist without them. And the scientists and engineers both owe a huge debt of gratitude to the guys who can work magic with a bandsaw without losing any fingers.>>
Of course some scientific theories eventually produce cause/effect engineering results that can be demonstrated, no doubt about that, but there are still far too many theories that only exhibit random or unpredictable effects.
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Then they are not scientific theories. Scientific theory has been explained to you ad nauseum, yet you still either fail to grasp it or are simply being an asshole about it.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 18:52:39 [Permalink]
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Back on topic:
Researchers recently asked for a paper of theirs to be retracted from the journal Nature. The paper dealt with sea-level rise due to global warming, so the denialists are all a-twitter about this.
Why is this an embarrassment for them? The authors of the paper found out that they'd made a mistake, and so their predictions for sea-level rise were too low. But the denialists are claiming (via newspaper headlines and blog posts) that the retraction really means that sea levels aren't rising.
Read the details at The Wonk Room and Whiskey Fire. |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 23:29:09 [Permalink]
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Well, it looks like that Phil Jones has been taken out of context after all, as I'm trying to explain here.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/06/2010 : 14:17:42 [Permalink]
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The lie about Phil Jones lying. Check this time-table:- Nov 30, 2009: Dr. Phil Jones asks the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (SMHI) for permission to release their climate data.
- Dec 21, 2009: The SMHI says no.
- Mar 1, 2010: Dr. Jones testifies to a UK House of Commons committee that he could not release the Swedish data.
- Mar 4, 2010: The SMHI tells Dr. Jones, basically, "you can release our data so long as you give us credit and say that your version of the data has been processed."
- Mar 5, 2010: A not-well-known denier puts out a press release saying that because of the Mar 4 letter, Dr. Jones must have lied in his testimony on Mar 1. This press release becomes an instant hit in the denialosphere.
Not only is time twisted for the deniers, but SMHI hasn't yet put up "all" of its data for public download, unlike what's claimed in the Mar 5 denialist press release. |
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Climate change denialist embarrassment
