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dantheman
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And for those here who can't read, the 48 "huge mass graves" have allegedly been located / proven to exist via so-called archaeological "investigations."
Just one grave "skeptics."
Just 1 / 100 of 1 %
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 14:20:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dantheman
And for those here who can't read, the 48 "huge mass graves" have allegedly been located / proven to exist via so-called archaeological "investigations." |
By whom? Who is doing this alleged alleging? |
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dantheman
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 14:24:04 [Permalink]
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Maybe we should get a little more specific. Let's pick one of the alleged 48 "huge mass graves" and see what you "skeptics" have.
So let's start out with Sobibor's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #7/45, which is claimed to be – “at least 10 x 3 meters with a depth of up to 0.90 meters.”
First, tell us how many jews are buried in Sobibor's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #7/45
Second, tell us the name just one jew who is buried in Sobibor's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #7/45
Third, show us a photo of just one single pound of bone fragments and/or one single corpse in a state of saponification that has been excavated from Sobibor's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #7/45
Fourth, show us the Ground Penetrating Radar scan of Sobibor's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #7/45 that justifies the claim that Sobibor's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #7/45 actually exists.
Fifth, tell us why the jews refuse to release the results of the geophysical investigation they did at Sobibor. |
Let's see what you've got kids. |
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 14:29:43 [Permalink]
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And how 'bout Auschwitz-Birkenau, hmm? Are you going to try and tell us that they weren't part of the Nazi extermination programs; that there were no gas chambers nor ovens? Be careful how you answer this; I was there in the '50s and have seen them first hand.
You Holocaust deniers are a pain in the ass. You let yourselves be led around by the nose by scumbags, and I wonder why. Could it be that said scumbags, and by extension, yourself, wish for the return of the good ol' days; back when a man was a man and a Jew was merely the stench of burning meat?
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 15:03:17 [Permalink]
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Mass grave at Treblinka
Had you opened the links you've been provided you, you would see why many of the graves haven't been found. As the war began winding down with the Nazis on the shitty end of that stick, they realized that the world would not like their extermination activities, so they began trying to hide the evidence. Unsuccessfully, mostly, I might happily add.
Rudolf Hess, history's most prolific mass murderer.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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and Crypto-Communist!
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 16:04:17 [Permalink]
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| It's not my homework to do. You're the one making the claims that people are "alleging" all sorts of stuff. You can either provide proper citations, or not. |
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Kil
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 17:15:04 [Permalink]
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Deniers in Revisionists Clothing by Ben S. Austin
It opens:
Crucial to understanding and combatting Holocaust denial is a clear distinction between denial and revisionism. One of the more insidious and dangerous aspects of contemporary Holocaust denial, a la Arthur Butz, Bradley Smith and Greg Raven, is the fact that they attempt to present their work as reputable scholarship under the guise of "historical revisionism." The term "revisionist" permeates their publications as descriptive of their motives, orientation and methodology. In fact, Holocaust denial is in no sense "revisionism," it is denial.
Historical revisionism is a perfectly legitimate, respectable and necessary approach to historical analysis. Each new generation has at its disposal new information, new facts and new methods not available to its predecessors. Contemporary historians, armed with new documentary, archaeological and anthropological data, are in a much better position to assess the slavery era in the American south than were historians writing during slavery or in the decades immediately following Emancipation. Similarly, we are in a much better position today to assess the Vietnam War than we were in the 60s or the 70s. Our understanding of the role of women in U.S. and world history is largely the product of historical revisionists who dared to challenge the historical invisibility of women. African-American historians are now doing the same thing with regard to important contributions of African-Americans. The canons of scholarship and academic integrity make it incumbent upon historians to involve themselves in the on-going re-evaluation of historical events and issues. Even if they have an ideological "axe to grind," revisionist historians render a valuable service by bringing the issues into public discussion and clarification. But, as far as I am aware, no historian denies that slavery was ever practiced in the United States, that the Vietnam War never happened, or that women and blacks made important contributions to U.S. culture and history. Historical revisionism attempts to enhance and extend our understanding of history through continual re-interpretation of existing historical data.
Holocaust deniers have coopted the terms "revisionism" as an attempt to make themselves appear respectable and legitimate. In fact, there is not a qualified historian in the bunch. Greg Raven, editor of the Journal of Historical Review, a self-proclaimed "revisionist" journal, has a Masters degree in history and David Irving does not even have a college degree. Arthur Butz, one of the leading Holocaust deniers, is a professor of Engineering and Computer Science at Northwestern University. Fred Leuchter, the self-styled chemist who is central to the Zyclon-B controversy is not a chemist and, at the trial of Ernest Zundel in Canada, the judge refused to admit his testimony as an expert witness. At that same trial, Leuchter's testimony, and his credibility as a "revisionist," fell apart under cross-examination. See Lipstadt's analysis of the trial.
Perhaps a brief historical review of the emergence of Holocaust denial will set the stage for what comes later in this essay. The first important proponent of Holocaust denial was the French communist, Paul Rassinier (Crossing the Line, 1948). Essentially, Rassinier made two major arguments. (1) There is a natural human tendency to on the part of victims to exaggerate what has happened to them and (2) the "atrocities" that did occur were not the fault of the Nazis but of the victims themselves -- particularly the inmate guards whom the SS placed in charge of the camps
The themes introduced by Rassinier were rather quickly seized upon by antisemitic, pro-Nazi spokesmen in the United States such as the religious right-wing evangelist, W.D. Herrstrom, national socialists such as George Lincoln Rockwell and revisionist historians such as the widely read Harry Elmer Barnes at Smith College. Barnes was especially influential because of his reputation as a legitimate historian.
By the late 1960s the ideas of Rassinier, Barnes and an English professor at LaSalle College, Austin J. App, had caught the attention of the extreme political right in the United States and in Europe… |
Read on.
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filthy
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 17:26:43 [Permalink]
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April 12, 1945: Nordhausen Concentration Camp
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 18:12:59 [Permalink]
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Dantheman, I am only a Mod of a different forum here, and do not speak for the policy of the site as a whole. But I think you need to pay attention to Kil's "pre-warning warning".
What that red-lettered post means is that you need to stop merely posting obscene antisemitic holocaust denialist junk from elsewhere. It means you must be responsive to questions, and defend your assertions and implications with relevant evidence.
Demanding that we prove established historical facts doesn't work. Your denialism and historical revisionism is the extraordinary position, and requires that you supply evidence.
Were you to assert that gravity is fraudulent, that would be an "extraordinary claim." We would not be required to explain and prove gravity's underlying mechanism. Instead, you'd have to show evidence that gravity is a fraud. Likewise, by advocating this absurd Holocaust denialism, the burden of proof is upon you and you only.
Once needs to work hard to be banned at Skeptic Friends Network, but so far, you're doing it right.
The clock, it is ticking.
Also, again: Are you a Nazi? Your silence on the matter reinforces my initial belief that you are, but I suspect that you're simply too cowardly to admit it. |
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filthy
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 18:33:12 [Permalink]
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Mass grave at Bergen-Belsen
Now then, about that reward -- I'd prefer cash.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Kil
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 21:13:05 [Permalink]
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That recording sent chills up my spine, Kil.
Himmler makes it clear he's talking about the deliberate mass murder of Jews, and about the necessity of keeping quiet about it afterwards. Himmler compares this silence to the the Nazi's code of silence following the SS slaughter of the Brownshirts (SA) during the Night of the Long Knives.
To this very day, the Holocaust denialists like dantheman are still obediently carrying out that jackal Himmler's code of silence.
That bastard (Himmler) even tries to make himself and the SS scum look noble because of his policy was that the SS goons not rob the Jews for personal gain, but only to fill the coffers of the Nazi state (read "the Nazi elite").
The remarkable Himmler recording seems to me to be powerful evidence supporting the "Intentionalist" hypothesis of the Holocaust vs. the "Functionalist" hypothesis. (Both are legitimate historical hypotheses. Neither school of thought denies the Holocaust happened, or even that it was deliberate. This hot debate only concerns whether the extermination of the Jews originated with direct orders from Hitler, or was evolved by lower ranked Nazis.)
Among other issues, dantheman simply must comment upon Himmler's remarks, or have no credibility at all in the very discussion he began. |
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Randy
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 22:15:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
[quote]Originally posted by Kil
Among other issues, dantheman simply must comment upon Himmler's remarks, or have no credibility at all in the very discussion he began.
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Nah Halfmooner, that won't happen. My guess is Herr Kuttenpaste from Douchland, thinking his mission is complete here, will turn his attention back to his other pet projects for a while -- promoting the 9-11 and Apollo moon landing conspiracies. |
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 23:17:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
Nah Halfmooner, that won't happen. My guess is Herr Kuttenpaste from Douchland, thinking his mission is complete here, will turn his attention back to his other pet projects for a while -- promoting the 9-11 and Apollo moon landing conspiracies. |
Only, I suspect, if those conspiracies can somehow be made to implicate "the jews." |
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A literal Jewish conspiracy
