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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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 Posted - 08/27/2010 : 09:16:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
Gotcha. So then I have to wonder why the hell would they be racist against people that they have had little conact with or little reason to hate.
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Does there have to be a reason? I think it's just easier. Just as my father is very good at unintentional offensive remarks against muslims, since he never meets them. He probably doesn't realize that he says quite hateful things about my collegues.
It is much easier to be offensive about people you don't know and never meet, then if they are people you actually work with and count amongst your friends. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/27/2010 : 09:47:06 [Permalink]
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| Blame those Duke boys, Bo, Luke and of course David. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2010 : 10:15:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
No, not at all. Ignorance has nothing to do with it. I've always thought that the flag symbolizes the current "southern" way of life. It has absolutely nothing to do with the civil war, or anything before 1970 for that matter. It's not that their ignorant, it's that this just isn't what that flag means to them. |
But even since the 1970s, that flag has been inextricably tied to slogans such as "the South will rise again" that such a intentional divorce of meaning seems impossible to me.
More importantly, it's a public symbol with a public meaning. I mean, personally, I could decide that "Google" means "bubonic plague," but if I started using such a meaning in public, people would simply think I'm insane.
Try going downtown with a Nazi swastika on a flag, and when you're confronted, explain that before the Germans used it, it was a Native American healing symbol. See how well that's accepted. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2010 : 10:16:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Blame those Duke boys, Bo, Luke... |
That came to mind. The movie handled it a lot better than the TV show did. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2010 : 11:07:10 [Permalink]
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Maybe they think that the confederate flag is prettier.
And of course, it hasn't more stars on it than they can count...
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2010 : 12:38:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Edit: I see where the confusion came from. I erroneously wrote:
| I've always thought that the flag symbolizes the current "southern" way of life. |
Where I meant "symbolizes to them".
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I agree Dave, the flag carries a lot of different meaning to different people. But this isn't what Ebone was asking about: |
No, I understand that. I'm saying that even if people are flying the Confederate flag for reasons other than as a celebration of racism, they're never going to be able to escape that perception. And in that light, it's a pretty dumb thing to do. |
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2010 : 13:07:39 [Permalink]
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originally posted by Dave
I'm saying that even if people are flying the Confederate flag for reasons other than as a celebration of racism, they're never going to be able to escape that perception. And in that light, it's a pretty dumb thing to do |
There is a young feller here at work that flys the confederate flag. I do not know him very well but I think I will cozy up to him and ask him one of these days.
Agreed no matter what it is dumb to be flying the flag unless you live down south.
I just so much want to run up to ones of these guys and yell " You live in the North dumbass!!!" |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2010 : 14:26:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
There is a young feller here at work that flys the confederate flag. I do not know him very well but I think I will cozy up to him and ask him one of these days. |
An empirical data point? Whodathunkit?Agreed no matter what it is dumb to be flying the flag unless you live down south.
I just so much want to run up to ones of these guys and yell " You live in the North dumbass!!!" |
It doesn't really matter where you live, if you fly that flag, you're signaling to the world your desire to fight for your right to own another person and all the intensely racist history that goes along with it. |
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